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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Free » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 19:43:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schweinshaxe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'A')s far as I know, this is a purely American phenomenon. I know no other place or country where similar belifs show up. Interesting!
Really? Please note that the fences in this picture are designed to keep people from LEAVING the camp. Also, please note how weak the fences are. The fences in that video certainly look stronger than the ones in the picture.Image

I think you mixed things quite up a bit here, Schwein! MacG was talking about American paranoia of government actions, i.e. the exact opposite of willingly constructing concentration camps. I had actually KZs in mind when I wrote about the weak fences. How exactly is a double row of concrete-pillar-based-fence weaker than a single chain-link-fence with about half that height???

And don't tell me anything about concentration camps, my uncle died in one of them. He fell drunk from the watchtower. Old and horribly tasteless joke, I hope it can compete with the "man juice"...
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 19:54:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'I') agree with SPG that it would seem likely if there's an economic meltdown the gubmint would release a large fraction of the huge prison population in the US... they wouldn't be able to afford to hold them.

Maybe. But remember what Taiter say about bureacracies. The only way that beuracracies are capable of dealing with stress is by building more beuracracy. Even once diminishing returns sets in and the complexity is counterproductive, that's the only tool they have to react. More laws not less. More control not less. More bureacrats not less. That's why complex societies collapse. They aren't able to adapt themselves to a less complex situation. If they were able to be more fluid, their complexity would ebb and flow, but there would be no collapse.

Look at where we're at right now. We're stressed because oil is getting more scarce. The logical thing would be to down size the government, move more in the direction of independant permacuture based communities, community supported agriculture, etc. Instead what do we get? The Patriot Act, Homeland Security spending, DHS, run away military spending. Instead of letting people out of jail, we're imprisoning people without trial, we're torturing people, we're refusing to even diviluge who all has been arrested.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Schweinshaxe » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 20:29:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'I') think you mixed things quite up a bit here, Schwein! MacG was talking about American paranoia of government actions, i.e. the exact opposite of willingly constructing concentration camps.I had actually KZs in mind when I wrote about the weak fences. How exactly is a double row of concrete-pillar-based-fence weaker than a single chain-link-fence with about half that height???
And don't tell me anything about concentration camps, my uncle died in one of them. He fell drunk from the watchtower. Old and horribly tasteless joke, I hope it can compete with the "man juice"...

Ahhh, come on Free! I just couldn't let the opportunity slip through my fingers... :-D

A fence is more a psychological obstacle than a physical obstacle. If you have the right equipment and enough time, you can break or climb over every fence or wall ever built. You might as well paint a red line on the ground and tell people that they will get their heads blown off if they cross it. And yes, that's probably the oldest joke in the history of Mankind.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby shortonoil » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 21:12:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think you mixed things quite up a bit here, Schwein! MacG was talking about American paranoia of government actions, i.e. the exact opposite of willingly constructing concentration camps.

It appears that Schwein wasn’t mixed up. Willingly constructing concentration camps is a sign of a government that is very paranoid of the populaces’ actions! The US government is running scared. Building detention camps for two million illegal immigrants is absurd. A few thousand Marines on the Mex US border would be a lot more affective and a lot cheaper. If you believe that all this effort is going into rounding up a bunch of wet backs you have a serious reality check coming.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Kickinthegob » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 22:10:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'C')ould it be that this is a pandemic camp? I could see the need for furnaces then, to burn the dead. To me that seems a more likely conclusion; in the even t of a massive pandemic the government is going to need places to relocate the sick.

The new Industrial Pandemic Complex?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schweinshaxe', 'M')aybe the gubmint is planning to extract man juice from the internees in the camps to fill the strategic reserves...

That would fit into your "fornication camps" theory - limp noodle? Go to this line please!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'L')ook at where we're at right now. We're stressed because oil is getting more scarce. The logical thing would be to down size the government, move more in the direction of independant permacuture based communities, community supported agriculture, etc. Instead what do we get? The Patriot Act, Homeland Security spending, DHS, run away military spending. Instead of letting people out of jail, we're imprisoning people without trial, we're torturing people, we're refusing to even diviluge who all has been arrested.

The big picture!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', 'I')f you believe that all this effort is going into rounding up a bunch of wet backs you have a serious reality check coming.

multiply video by 800 = reality check?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'A')mericans love conspiracy theories.
But then again it could just be the start of a massive project to rebuild the American rail line infrastructure that we have all been hearing so much about lately! :roll:
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby RonMN » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 22:29:50

Dag-nabbit! You found my secret PO bunker :( (and i was soooo darn sure i was going to be safe from the barefoot hoards of starving suburbanites). Welp, i'll have to pick a new location & start building anew :)
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Free » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 23:01:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schweinshaxe', 'A')hhh, come on Free! I just couldn't let the opportunity slip through my fingers... :-D

I hope you are not referring to man juice... :-p
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') fence is more a psychological obstacle than a physical obstacle. If you have the right equipment and enough time, you can break or climb over every fence or wall ever built. You might as well paint a red line on the ground and tell people that they will get their heads blown off if they cross it. And yes, that's probably the oldest joke in the history of Mankind.

Sure and Schweins could fly if they had wings! I wonder why people build fences at all then? Admit it, you totally fell for the nutjob paranoia video! And yes Americans are weird in their paranoia - I guess that's why I prefer hanging out at US-forums, because I suffer from it myself :)

The only funny thing is that they keep electing people who make their worst fears come true. What did Freud say again? Dreams are always wish-dreams, even if they are nightmares...
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Schweinshaxe » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 23:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'A')dmit it, you totally fell for the nutjob paranoia video!

Yup! :oops: But then again, I live in a country that put millions of people into ovens just 60 years ago. Millions of people died in death camps or from starvation under Stalin not so long ago. Only 10 years ago, thousands of people died in gubmint supported ethnic cleansing operations in former Yugoslavia.

We have learned from Semler that 170 million people have been murdered by their gubmints over the years. I guess it doesn't hurt to be a little paranoid every now and then...
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby aldente » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 00:10:13

Terrible camera work and as Free pointed out not all that impressive.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby MountainHiker » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 00:42:21

I'm still skeptical of the whole concentration camp idea. It requires too many resources to create and operate such camps when they can just use a designer disease to thin us out. For that matter they could do a Templar Knights Friday the 13th type of number on a lot of their big name critics and perceived threats. That might be enough in itself to cow the remaining resistance.

The question I have is, what do we all do if the next rounds of such videos start showing detainees in these places? Do we write them off as hoaxes? Debate it to death? Dismiss it outright? Meekly accept our fate? Grab our guns and stuff and head for the hills? Begin the rebellion? Let's hope the skeptics are right and we don't have to make such decisions.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby aldente » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 02:18:33

Fact in all of this is that in the case of a suspension of the US constitution FEMA would be the agency that takes control. Here a short and interesting clip from the past.
In regards to the elections 2008 I was struck to hear from a former member of the Reagan administration that there are chances that these likewise could be suspended (indefinitely?) given the current developments: Dr.Craig Roberts
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Kickinthegob » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 03:04:12

Y'all wanna hear a spooky story! :shock: The story is told that shortly after Nikita Khrushchev was made leader of the Soviet Union, he was addressing a large audience on the iniquities of Joseph Stalin when suddenly a voice shot out from the back of the hall: "You were one of his colleagues, why didn't you stop him?"

Glaring round the crowded hall, Khrushchev bellowed: "Who said that?"

No one moved in the awful silence that followed.

"WHO said that!" Still not a man moved.

And when the tension had become unbearable,

Khrushchev quietly said: "Now you know why."
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Doly » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 09:47:18

OK, I can't see the video, so can somebody please describe the fence exactly? How tall is it? Which way is the barbed wire pointing?
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby shortonoil » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 11:40:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 't')he asshole blew up the world trade centers and you're surprised he's got plans to put you behind bars? shew about them potatos?

I seriously doubt that our esteemed leader, Heiligenschein Bush was responsible for the WTC murders. The man is an alcohol soaked Toady that probably doesn’t have the necessary organizational skills to manage a Twinky eating contest. Without Rove and Chenney to administer his daily activities he would probably pee on his own feet. The WTC demolition was a huge and complex operation that was probably years in the making. It required advanced logistics and many other skills that one would only expect to find in a sophisticated military or intelligence environment. Placing thousands of cutter charges into the building’s superstructure, shutting down the most advanced interior air defense command in the world and orchestrating the propaganda to convince a rather brain dead society that a bunch of camel jockeys with box cutters and some jet fuel did it, was a phenomenal accomplishment. It was hardly anything that one would expect from a C- flunky who has trouble with his own regional dialect.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Chocky » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 21:33:57

Anyone read Vasily Grossman's essay on Treblinka? Basically people arrived at Treblinka completely unaware of their fate. The railway station was made up to look like an ordinary one, complete with fake attendants, signs pointing the way to different stations, and even a welcoming band.

Most of the people were taken to the gas chambers almost as soon as the train arrived, and the gas chamber disguised. People were only aware of their fate at the last moment. The deception was so good that some gypsies sent to Treblinka arrived unguarded, in their own caravans.

The whole camp was run by 25 SS men and 100 Ukrainian police, and was used to kill approximately 800,000 people. When some of the inmates finally got their act together they were able to overpower their guards and destroy the camp quite easily, although hardly any of them survived the war as it turned out.

So you can see that you don't need large numbers of guards or massive fences for this sort of thing. All you need to do is rely on people's natural optimism, and their belief that if something is too horrible than 'someone' will prevent it from happening.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby Novus » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 23:07:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chocky', 'A')nyone read Vasily Grossman's essay on Treblinka? Basically people arrived at Treblinka completely unaware of their fate. The railway station was made up to look like an ordinary one, complete with fake attendants, signs pointing the way to different stations, and even a welcoming band.
Most of the people were taken to the gas chambers almost as soon as the train arrived, and the gas chamber disguised. People were only aware of their fate at the last moment. The deception was so good that some gypsies sent to Treblinka arrived unguarded, in their own caravans.
All you need to do is rely on people's natural optimism, and their belief that if something is too horrible than 'someone' will prevent it from happening.

I wonder why they don't teach these lessons in American schools.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby MountainHiker » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 00:13:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chocky', 'T')he whole camp was run by 25 SS men and 100 Ukrainian police, and was used to kill approximately 800,000 people. So you can see that you don't need large numbers of guards or massive fences for this sort of thing. All you need to do is rely on people's natural optimism, and their belief that if something is too horrible than 'someone' will prevent it from happening.

Well, looks like my ignorance was shining through in the earlier post I made about such camps requiring too many resources. Thank you for the education Chocky. Looks like we need to increase the vigilance.
If they start shutting down or censoring the internet, it will be time for a serious reality check. Right now the internet is our only option for gaining uncorrupted information. When they shut it down or start censoring it, we've got problems.

Here's a quote from "They Thought They Were Free" about the Nazi's coming to power:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it."

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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby MicroHydro » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 01:42:02

I have no opinion about the video - whatever.

However it is interesting that the program that Halliburton is building the detention camps for is code named ENDGAME 8O . The only thing that is certain is that TPTB (in reality a very small elite with money, and media power backed by a few hired goons) want to scare the heck out of the majority dissenting Americans to keep them from doing anything to oppose the regime.

If 50 million plus people hit the streets, the US regime would fold overnight like East Germany did. They just wouldn't have enough stone cold triggermen willing to shoot fellow Americans to put it down. It is possible that all this internet talk about "Total Information Awareness", NSA spying and internment camps is meant to terrify people into submission - at this point still a giant bluff. If the crackdown does come, it will be classic incrementalism over a period of time, as outlined by Rev. Niemoller. Thus the psyops campaign to keep the disenfranchised masses frozen like deer in the headlights while the regime slowly tightens its (still shaky) hold on the country.
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Re: Footage from an under construction american internment c

Postby gego » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 02:19:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'I')f 50 million plus people hit the streets, the US regime would fold overnight like East Germany did.

Do you really think that there are 50 million Americans who have the brain power to understand their own enslavement? Maybe you could find 7 million, but beyond that you are dealing with the indoctrinated, the deranged, the stupid, and the lethargic.
There is little likelyhood of anyone doing anything like you referenced until a serious breakdown is upon us, and at that point it will be every man for himself with little attention to killing off the scum in the capitol.
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