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The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby mousepad » Sat 19 Jul 2025, 07:18:35

I tried AI copilot for the first time in Visual Studio Code. I was trying to design a small CPU in a hardware description language (systemverilog). I was impressed on how easy it was to get results. First I thought this will all be a breeze and I have my design complete in a few hours. But the AI kept making small ridiculous detail choices. And telling the AI to correct those nit picks got very tedious to a point where I just did the work myself.

So all in all, I was very impressed what the AI can do, but in the end it was a wash. The time saved doing design work was offset with cleaning up the mess the AI left behind, just like cleaning up after a junior designer.

And from what I read, AI training has exhausted available training material by scraping the internet clean. So I'm not quite sure if we can expect great improvements going forward.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sat 19 Jul 2025, 10:02:31

That may be from lack of experience, I think it learns from all of us using it over time and gets better over thousands of iterations; but mistakes happen with entry level engineers, and they happen with AI's. Its really good with web apps, c#, angular, that sort of thing, I think because it gets a huge amount of practice.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 19 Jul 2025, 15:29:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')So all in all, I was very impressed what the AI can do, but in the end it was a wash.


Agreed. I asked it for some simple VBA code, well, relatively simple to the kind I usually use, and it popped out something that looked reasonable. When I triggered it, the code ran into what I would qualify as small issues of syntax, it assumed all VBA was the same within Access and Excel, didn't understand underlying modules that were required and sometimes mutually exclusive, etc etc.

So I was impressed, but as you described, spent as much time trying to get AI code to work as if I had just written it myself.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 19 Jul 2025, 20:46:07

I tried to use AI to generate a picture of a plaque with text on it so I could send the picture to people and they could read the text. After seven tries I gave up, the software kept "interpreting" the text in some cases merging words in the middle, like "Construction Device" might come out "Constravice" which is not even a real word. On other words it kept inserting non-English alphabet characters like from the Cherokee syllabary or Greek alphabet. In some attempts it would prominently display the title but none of the body, in others it would copy one or two of the six paragraphs and skip the rest. I mean, I know the tech is relatively new, but how do you change an instruction like Paste this text block into random junk text?
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 22 Jul 2025, 13:13:30

Posted without comment.

Maybe AI Isn't Going to Replace You at Work After All
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]AI fails at tasks where accuracy must be absolute to create value.

In reviewing the on-going discussions about how many people will be replaced by AI, I find a severe lack of real-world examples. I'm remedying this deficiency with an example of AI's failure in the kind of high-value work that many anticipate will soon be performed by AI.

Few things in life are more pervasively screechy than hype, which brings us to the current feeding-frenzy of AI hype. Since we all read the same breathless claims and have seen the videos of robots dancing, I'll cut to the chase: Nobody posts videos of their robot falling off a ladder and crushing the roses because, well, the optics aren't very warm and fuzzy.

For the same reason, nobody's sharing the AI tool's error that forfeited the lawsuit. The only way to really grasp the limits of these tools is to deploy them in the kinds of high-level, high-value work that they're supposed to be able to do with ease, speed and accuracy, because nobody's paying real money to watch robots dance or read a copycat AI-generated essay on Yeats that's tossed moments after being submitted to the professor.

In the real world of value creation, optics don't count, accuracy counts. Nobody cares if the AI chatbot that churned out the Yeats homework hallucinated mid-stream because nobody's paying for AI output that has zero scarcity value: an AI-generated class paper, song or video joins 10 million similar copycat papers / songs / videos that nobody pays attention to because they can create their own in 30 seconds.

So let's examine an actual example of AI being deployed to do the sort of high-level, high-value work that it's going to need to nail perfectly to replace us all at work. My friend Ian Lind, whom I've known for 50 years, is an investigative reporter with an enviably lengthy record of the kind of journalism few have the experience or..
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 23 Jul 2025, 14:20:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'P')entagon Awards Contracts To 4 Artificial Intelligence Developers

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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 23 Jul 2025, 19:09:27

Getting back on topic:

Has anyone spent any time in a modern house? Don't lean on the walls, and don't spill any water on the kitchen surfaces. Be careful closing doors and windows too because it's all made of cheap junk material, nothing like the hardwoods and steel, brass and copper of homes built in the past. Even the fanciest looking homes now invariable have pine frames and plastic surfaces inside. Plumbing made for plastic. The death of suburbia, it won't be hard for people to walk away from this rubbish. Give it 30 years and they will be a living maintenance nightmare.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 23 Jul 2025, 21:52:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'G')etting back on topic:


Indeed. Is your boy embarassed by his uneducated old man, and striving not to be an uneducated parrot and striving for something better? Or does uneducated and lacking the ability to think or reason exist everywhere in your family?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Has anyone spent any time in a modern house? Don't lean on the walls, and don't spill any water on the kitchen surfaces. Be careful closing doors and windows too because it's all made of cheap junk material, nothing like the hardwoods and steel, brass and copper of homes built in the past.

Just bought one as a matter of fact. Certainly can lean on walls, spill water on the floor (already done that a couple of times) doors shut fine and windows are FAR better than the old house. The old one was built in 1954. The efficiency in the new place is amazing, in terms of heating and cooling. The old place couldn't keep the temps below 78F on a hot day because the thermal mass of the brick would just counteract the A/C and wouldn't oool off much at night. The new place on a 100F day doesn't even need the A/C to come on until 3PM, and when the evening breezes begin its off and the windows are open by 7PM. Its more expensive electricity during daylight hours so I notice it in the electricity bill. The car of course only charges at night, and costs a pittance. Just hit 6k miles and had the tires rotated. For free at the dealership for like 3 years.

The old place had issues with water, when a big thunderstorm came in the basement window casements would become small ponds and it would begin to leak through the original windows. We had 2 bats in the house the last year we were there, we ran the whole house fan and the damn things must have just been sitting on the other side of the louvers, flew right into the house, pissed the wife off somthing fierce. Trapped it in my office and used 2 fishing net thingies to catch it, take it outside. The drainage into the sewer line was old school and caused problems, electrical wiring, even updated in the 70's and again in 2013 was still shit. Nice neighborhood, near all levels of school for the kids. But once they all collected their Masters degrees we just didn't need to be in suburbia anymore. The old garage was small, but the yard was bigger. The new place has a mountain view, whereas before we were too close and couldn't see anything, being too close to the hogbacks.

So yes, the newer house is quite better, more efficient, a fair amount larger then some dinosaur/stone age place that can't be bothered to employ modern technology. And I certainly wasn't about to renovate the old place any more than I'd try and make a Model T into a modern Corvette.

Any other ignorant things you think I can help you out with from personal experience?
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 24 Jul 2025, 03:11:45

This is the rubbish I'm talking about. Plywood stapled onto pine, glue in critical places too no doubt. Put a nice bluboard exterior on it and give that a render and it's a woman's dream home.

This house is roughly the same quality the homeless were erecting in Hoovervills during the Great Depression. A little larger though.

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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 24 Jul 2025, 20:11:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')his is the rubbish I'm talking about. Plywood stapled onto pine, glue in critical places too no doubt. Put a nice bluboard exterior on it and give that a render and it's a woman's dream home.


Good thing that plywood and glue isn't how new houses are built where I live! As far as a woman's dream home, how about a father that isn't scared talking about his kid? Mothers can't stop bragging about their offspring, good or bad, but when fathers can't talk about sons? It must be bad. Me and my son go riding together. Went out looking at another motorcycle just 3 days ago together. Can your son ride? Or, based on knowing who his father is, lets be more basic....can he read and write?
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 25 Jul 2025, 23:52:35

That modern house I pictured above is actually an American new-build. We do it a bit more substantially down here. The cheap ones are clad in Blueboard, a fiber cement sheeting system with V-grove joints to prevent water and wind ingress. We'd never clad a home with plywood. that's just... Stupid.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 26 Jul 2025, 12:03:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')hat modern house I pictured above is actually an American new-build.


Well, seeing as how you can't even read a graph of oil production before hallucinating when peaks are, you have demonstated an inability to think. Do logic. Think some more. Draw a conclusion that makes sense. Etc etc.

But I am familiar with new home construction, same as I am the 1950's construction of my last home. Stick and frame is quite common nowadays in new construction. But when watching them being built, no one used glue. Plywood was used as an underpinning for quite a few of the initial coverings of the frame, and then other things went outside of that. There are quite interesting faux concretes and other synthetic materials that are both visually appealling and hard wearing far beyond anything except perhaps a brick or concrete exterior. The visually appealing comes in handy, I like the near bulletproof nature of the material. But the wife likes it to look nice. So as expected, you can't even describe stick and frame construction correctly. Being...as I said...someone who can't even read graphs, and apparently doesn't know the difference between glue, and normal nails and lag bolts and synthetic external covers and underpinnings on modern homes. And of course effiiency. That word appears foreign to you in both the exorbinate cost you are willing to pay to fuel your travels, and whatever heating and cooling costs might be. My new construction is half the electrical cost for the same basic heating/oooling for twice the square footage.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')We do it a bit more substantially down here.

Yes, well no one has ever claimed your country has moved into the current century any better with construction techniques than it can build modern houses, Ferris wheels, or even a damn airplane of any size.

Call it a consequence of your DNA. You can't build or engineer dick, you don't know dick, your best show up at the Olympics and make you all look like a bunch of American back woods nose picking hillbilly folk. Be proud of what your King lets you have.

And stop being embarrassed by your son. Not everyone has kids like mine, but any parent should find things to be proud of in their offspring and encourage and love them...instead of being gutless wonders in their defense. Like you Pops.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 27 Jul 2025, 04:25:28

Why didn't the long running TV show Happy Day have any black actors? The show was filmed from 1974 onward but depicts the city of Milwaukee during the 1950s and 1960s, focusing on the Cunningham family and their teenage son, Richie.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')In 1955, Milwaukee had a growing but still relatively small Black population. By 1950, the Black population was around 3.5% of the total population, or roughly 22,000 people. This number grew rapidly in the following decades due to the Second Great Migration, with the Black population exceeding 200,000 by the year 2000, around 40–45% of the city's population


Retailers Accused Of "Racism" As They Flee Black Neighborhoods In Milwaukee
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ilwaukee is the latest in a long list of US cities facing a rapid retail exodus in minority neighborhoods and once again the blame is being placed on the companies in question rather than the behavior of the residents as they protests the rising tide of "food deserts".

At the beginning of July, city officials mounted a public outcry after Cincinnati-based Kroger Co. announced the decision to close at least five Pick 'n Save supermarket locations, including one in Milwaukee's Metcalfe Park neighborhood.

The solution? The Blacks obviously need to Stop Stealing everything. Is that possible? Not a chance in hell. These people are so entitled and so far removed from their traditional native culture that they are basically rudderless ships at sea. South Africa is in ruins now, after 30 years of majority-black-led government. So even when they take full control they can't make a go of it in an industrial society. Evil days ahead for the once proud empire, a much worse fate than the British and Spanish ones suffered.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 28 Jul 2025, 22:42:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'W')hy didn't the long running TV show Happy Day have any black actors?

The producers of the show were Australian immigrants, and brought their biases and hatred of their aborigine heritage with them?
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 28 Jul 2025, 23:54:24

For those who claim the nation is doing just fine, go and watch a few re-runs of Happy Days to see what it was like when America really was great. It's a madhouse squared. It's quickly becoming Juarez, although I don't think they shit in the streets in Mexican cities :P

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There isn't any open defecation in cities, towns & villages. Even in the “wild” parks like the famous Manuel Antonio, there are nice toilets


Why is there so much poop on the sidewalk in Mexico?
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Apparently there's just some random cows that are out here grazing on the sidewalk. That Yank has never seen it before? Well he's never been into a US city before.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 04 Aug 2025, 21:55:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')yson Foods Confirms Protein Switching Underway
"Chicken continues to provide support to the business as the company continues to face beef headwinds," analysts at brokerage Stephens wrote in a note to clients.

Making sense of all this is simple: rising chicken demand alongside sliding beef demand is known as "protein switching." This trend is driven by excessively high supermarket beef prices, prompting low- and middle-income consumers to seek cheaper alternatives like chicken and pork.

That's a third world thing you know, losing access to high grade protein and switching to chicken (or cereal). The writing's on the wall...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy do Americans like to eat chicken?
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Poultry is very popular in the US. Many Americans eat chicken several times per week. It is considered much healthier for you than red meat such ...

Yeah, right. Nice spin :lol:
I'll stick with my steaks thanks, and for lunch my pastrami or corned beef cuts.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')astrami is a cured and smoked beef brisket, typically coated in spices, most notably black pepper and coriander, and then steamed. It's a popular deli meat, often served on rye bread with mustard and pickles

Antibiotic use in the United States poultry farming industry
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Testing revealed that chickens fed with a variety of vitamin B12 produced with the residue of a specific antibiotic grew 50% faster than chickens fed with B12 ..


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ew York CNN —
Tyson will once again use certain antibiotics in its chickens, eight years after it announced plans to ditch the drugs in some of its production and slapped a “no antibiotics ever” label on its packaging.
The company said the antibiotics it plans to use in chicken production are not important to the treatment of humans.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 07 Aug 2025, 02:58:51

We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 20 Aug 2025, 06:37:00

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Observe, an African slum. Here in front of the small child is a concrete lined trench, no doubt built by a colonial power, it's function to carry rainwater off no doubt. Several observations can be make here. One, the simple fact that concrete doesn't last forever, it's crumbling at the edges and a chunk is missing. Perhaps by a deliberate act of vandalism by the child? Everything ever built with portland cement in the last 100 years will be gone in the next 100 years. Secondly, certain ethnic groups are incapable of self-rule. You can't take people out of mud huts and put them into modern urban environments then expect them to maintain them. It never happens. They have no concept of waste management for one, as is obvious here.

Observing the dress code, or lack of it, exhibited by the people in the photo suggests that all the cloths were charity shop rejects, imported, the detritus of the wealthy nations. Bright colors in evidence, like on parakeets or chameleons, things admired by simple people with no particular purpose in life but to eat and procreate.

Look around your own town for evidence of such, it's a sign of regression, of a people tired of chasing the "dream" and looking now to simply Exist. There is a lot of existing going on today.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 22 Aug 2025, 08:37:23

Wild Brawl Breaks Out On Carnival Cruise 'Over Chicken Tenders'

What kind of people would do that?

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Seems pretty clear to me from the picture lol. Are we now seeing the wisdom behind segregation?
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