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The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak Oil

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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby btu2012 » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:05:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I') have a lot of compassion for my fellow man.

Unless he is black.
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby errorist » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:13:28

Why you always want to escape? Did Columbus escape to America or was he exploring and expanding?

This is not about escaping - this is about exploring, expanding both physically and mentally. Stars are in-progress. Future will tell the time.

Yes there is a worldwide crisis looming, rooted in greed, consumerism and shortsightedness. Yes it will cause horrible damage. But why escape and more importantly, where to escape when runaway global warming is a big possibility?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', ' ')But common sense only can not take us to the stars and game is over.

Oh ok. My lack of mathematics knowledge will keep me from making the decision to escape to the stars.
Ok.......
How' s that escaping to the stars thing working for you, errorist? When's take-off?
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby Ludi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:16:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'T')his is not about escaping - this is about exploring, expanding both physically and mentally. Stars are in-progress. Future will tell the time.

How's that exploring space going for you, errorist? Seen any neat stuff lately?
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby btu2012 » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:23:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'L')udi has common sense as far as I can read out from his posts and I am lurking here for years. Strong common sense fills his mathematics deficit and everything is OK for now. But common sense only can not take us to the stars and game is over.

Strange that you never figured out that Ludi is a woman.
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby errorist » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:28:04

Yes. This is picture from 2007.
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/1920 ... -250px.jpg

If you are really interested I can give you some links.
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How's that exploring space going for you, errorist? Seen any neat stuff lately?
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby Ludi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:30:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'Y')es. This is picture from 2007.

Wow! You took that picture? That's really amazing!

Or did you build the equipment that took the picture? I'm a little confused about your involvement with that work, sorry. :oops:
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby errorist » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:36:04

Huh, my bad, sorry. Rooted deeply in my native langue wich does not use sexes and mindset that treats man and woman as equal while discussing subject, exchanging ideas and brain gymnastics like that. Discarded sex as unimportant to me.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'L')udi has common sense as far as I can read out from his posts and I am lurking here for years. Strong common sense fills his mathematics deficit and everything is OK for now. But common sense only can not take us to the stars and game is over.

Strange that you never figured out that Ludi is a woman.
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby btu2012 » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:37:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'H')uh, my bad, sorry. Rooted deeply in my native langue wich does not use sexes and mindset that treats man and woman as equal while discussing subject, exchanging ideas and brain gymnastics like that. Discarded sex as unimportant to me.


Sure. :)

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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby errorist » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:39:49

No. I've seen it. Neat picture.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'Y')es. This is picture from 2007.

Wow! You took that picture? That's really amazing!
Or did you build the equipment that took the picture? I'm a little confused about your involvement with that work, sorry. :oops:
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby Pretorian » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:39:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I') have a lot of compassion for my fellow man.

Unless he is black.

Then he is not his fellow man, is he not?

Btw, Btu, are you gay? I am sure it helped a great deal to grow all that hatred toward everything starting with "Russi". Not saying that its bad at all, just glad to figure it out. I am sure you have some eye-popping stories to tell to our gay-community here about your stay in Russia.
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby Heineken » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:45:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'Y')es, I can grow food and even raise and butcher pig.
Yes, I am excellent marksman.
All that in addition to mathematics, physics, psychology, ...

My, what a remarkable resume'.
Does the knowledge of psychology include making a positive impression?

Something about Errorist's posts makes my blood run cold.
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby Ludi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:54:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'N')o. I've seen it. Neat picture.

Oh, ok. I thought you were making some claim about your mathematical knowledge leading to space exploration or something.

Anyway, nevermind. :)
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby BigTex » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 23:56:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'Y')es, I can grow food and even raise and butcher pig.
Yes, I am excellent marksman.
All that in addition to mathematics, physics, psychology, ...

My, what a remarkable resume'.
Does the knowledge of psychology include making a positive impression?

Something about Errorist's posts makes my blood run cold.


Where are all the eager, friendly and humble new people?
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:10:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('errorist', 'Y')es, I can grow food and even raise and butcher pig.
Yes, I am excellent marksman.
All that in addition to mathematics, physics, psychology, ...

My, what a remarkable resume'.
Does the knowledge of psychology include making a positive impression?

Something about Errorist's posts makes my blood run cold.

Where are all the eager, friendly and humble new people?

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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby btu2012 » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:28:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'B')tw, Btu, are you gay?


Why, are you looking for a fling ? :lol:

Heard that this guy might be interested:

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http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2477442.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... n-own.html

They say that he's especially fond of submissive Ukrainians, so you might have a chance. [smilie=inlove.gif]

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No need to be shy Pretorian. You wouldn't be the first one who came out online. :lol:
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:44:59

I'm thankful that so many have decided to contribute to this thread but if we could try to bring it back to the issue of compassion.

I would like to expand upon what RSG said a few pages back,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'I')t sounds like people are confusing compassion with sentimentality.
Compassion cares for their animals. Sentimentality will starve rather than slaughter them.
Compassion helps others. Sentimentality will help others to the detriment of themselves and their family.
The difference is boundaries. Compassion feels badly for suffering but has boundaries. Sentimentality has no boundaries and no self-protection. It's grandiose and delusional.

This evening I was on my way to dinner. I watched an African American UPS driver stop his truck (blocking traffic) get out and give directions to an elderly white blind man who looked lost. Those UPS drivers are under a lot of pressure to make a lot of stops and to not waste time... I would not have even thought to help, even if I had noticed the man to begin with.

Fast-forward to my job. Lets say tonight that I have to deal with an angry violent beligerant meth head. It gets ugly and I have to go get a few stitches in the ER (not the first time). I can hate the guy but what if it is the younger cousin of the UPS driver? I know how I feel about my cousins despite their self destructive habits, I love them, they are family. this meth head is loved by someone. The fact that they made certain decisions is a tragedy and I can feel bad about the tragedy, I can call it a tragedy.

This is much more true than just using broad brush strokes to place the world in camps of good and evil or "dirtbags" and "hard working americans." We may still treat the criminal in the same way but we can mourn the tragedy of it all. They too were once a little kid who wanted to grow up and be an astronaut or operate the backhoe.
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby btu2012 » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:50:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'I')'m thankful that so many have decided to contribute to this thread but if we could try to bring it back to the issue of compassion.

Gays need compassion too. Isn't it Pretorian ?
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby BigTex » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:54:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'T')his is much more true than just using broad brush strokes to place the world in camps of good and evil or "dirtbags" and "hard working americans." We may still treat the criminal in the same way but we can mourn the tragedy of it all. They too were once a little kid who wanted to grow up and be an astronaut or operate the backhoe.

I just think the best approach is to have love and compassion for all people and deal with individuals in whatever way you need to. Love and compassion doesn't preclude being harsh when necessary, it just puts the world in a certain context that allows hope to coexist with reality. When I sense this quality in people, it telegraphs strength, confidence and power. There is no weakness in what I am describing. I imagine that Jesus impressed people in that way.

As long as you remain realistic about what people are capable of, and don't put yourself at needless risk, having warmth for others is mostly a good thing, IMHO.
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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 01:24:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I') just think the best approach is to have love and compassion for all people and deal with individuals in whatever way you need to. Love and compassion doesn't preclude being harsh when necessary, it just puts the world in a certain context that allows hope to coexist with reality. When I sense this quality in people, it telegraphs strength, confidence and power. There is no weakness in what I am describing. I imagine that Jesus impressed people in that way.
As long as you remain realistic about what people are capable of, and don't put yourself at needless risk, having warmth for others is mostly a good thing, IMHO.

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Re: The costs, benefits, and impact of Compassion after Peak

Postby btu2012 » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 02:38:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'S')omething about Errorist's posts makes my blood run cold.

A feeling of mechanical unreality, perhaps ? Like a machine that tries to simulate a human ?
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