[Pops]

The Bottom Line is that I have seen very little on this site regarding voluntarily limiting the number of ones own offspring, only a few who profess to limiting their consumption and even fewer who show attempts to change where they acquire their energy/food/material goods.

Lots of good titles and platitudes though.

[MrBill]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'I') found somewhere this data (I think Club of Rome provided this or Wackernagel...)

4 billion - Eastern European level
3 billion - Western European level
2 billion - Nothern American level

But the number drops every year as economy grows Because there is less to plunder and more to consume so every year of exceeding carrying capacity shrinks carrying capacity and the number drops again. It's like a spiral.

To keep current number we should use as much resources as average Cuban.

[kadoomsoon]

sorry , reposted.
Doesn't matter.

[MrBill]

kadoomsoon, you're a really sick individual! This racist shi'ite on PO has really gone too far. I really do not want to associate with such trash, or to try to post serious arguments alongside such garbage.

Nothing you post makes any sense. Go read what? Books and the Internet publish facts as well as fiction. Your interpretation of the facts is somewhat laughable, but your intent is simply the spread of hatred.

I hope there is a special place in Hell for the Hitlers, Stalins, Pol Pots and Idi Amins of the world, and I hope you roast in Hell next to them!

Your WASP friend of Aryan descent,

MrBill

[kadoomsoon]

Bill you obviously misread the posts.

I do not support the sick evolutionary aryans.


What I posted was Hitlers beliefs I posted them because no one knows them even today, this is what they told us in public speaches in Germany... the people all fell for it.

The reason I mentioned them is because the very elite still believe all that, they haven't changed....


Anyway who cares what I am, I was trying to help people understand how out of the box the real rulers are,,, but it is set up so well this cannot be done, no one would believe it.

So,, let it roll..

[MrBill]

No, I have no problem reading and comprehending for that matter. Only about in the 98th percentile. So if you would craft your posts better I might be able to understand them, eh?

I am of German descent. Also, of Norwgian, English and Scottish. But directly from Hessen.

But even as a WASP I totally renounce racism, and anyone who would use race or religion to preach hatred. I may intensely dislike certain regimes or national governments, but there are good and bad people found anywhere and everywhere.

For the record, I have been an economic migrant for the past twenty years - living, working and studying in more than a dozen countries - so it would be pretty hypocritical of me to preach about isolism.

In that time I have benefited immensely from exposure to others that are not like me. I have also generated jobs, revenue and paid taxes wherever I have worked. Ironically, I would have achieved less if not for the locals that were able to understand English, but also work alongside me and absorb the transfer of skills and knowledge that I tried to impart. Or the languages and know-how that I learned from them.

Get it? It was a win-win situation. That is the point! Give me intelligent foreigners over narrow-minded locals anyday! I do not care what color their skin is or what language their native tongue is? Or what God they do or do not pray to? I simply demand competence and a willingness to learn.

Fortunately, here in Cyprus - on the apex of Europe, Asia, the ME and Africa - we have a broad exposure to many races and religions of all stripes, so we are prefectly placed to do business and interact with everyone. And it is a small island without hardly any crime! How perfect is that?

[kadoomsoon]

Look, it is almost 2008. I know many things that are positively going to happen, but it seems it is all outside the box.

anyway, have a happy life and don't worry be happy. It is all you have, really. Don't let them take your happiness from you.

[MrBill]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kadoomsoon', 'L')ook, it is almost 2008. I know many things that are positively going to happen, but it seems it is all outside the box.

So, I have a propostion, If you will please remove me and remove all the posts I wrote they won't bother anyone, and I won't come back as anyone else either.

I would appreciate it, thanks

can you please ban me and the posts? people have already read them they have heard they dont have to be in the archives..

anyway, have a happy life and don't worry be happy. It is all you have, really. Don't let them take your happiness from you.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'C')all me a heretic, but I think 3 billion could be sustainable?

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')The problem with all estimates is their methodoly and underlying assumptions. Despite their good intentions the researchers always interject their own personal biases as well. So the numbers look realistic, but who can really say with any accuracy? The number itself would depend on how coordinated a response is to scarcity for example. Change that one assumption and you likely change the outcome again!

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '
')An example of this is automobiles in American cities. The average speed of a vehicle is ~30mph in the states, so in crowded cities it's likely far less, and Americans spend around a half hour per day in their vehicles, which is likely far more in crowded cities. It's also been suggested that most people in America would see a significant increase in health by exercising a mere half hour per day.

[MrBill]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '
')Sure, that's the problem with modeling. But it's quite easy when you say there are 11,5 billion productive hectars, you divide it up by number of people and you get 1,8 ha per person. We use more now (and this means we take a loan), so we are logging too much, fishing too much, using water fields too fast and so on. Average Western European uses 4-5 ha, average American uses about 9 ha. It also means we have reached limits to growth.