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THE Asphalt Thread (merged)

Unread postby joewp » Mon 15 May 2006, 00:12:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Pain is not just at the pump
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/14/06, BY MICHAEL L. DIAMOND, BUSINESS WRITER:
Faced with the sudden rise in the price of asphalt, Michael Corrigan had to take some drastic steps to keep his Jackson paving company, Blacktop Technologies, afloat. He cut back on the number of dump trucks he sends out to paving projects. He laid off two workers. And he set aside his office duties so he could help out in the field. And still, it wasn't enough to prevent a price increase for his customers.

That's because asphalt is an oil-based product, and the price of oil has skyrocketed. While most people draw the connection between oil and gasoline, the rising price of oil is being felt throughout the Shore economy, touching every product and service that are tied to oil, whether it is asphalt used to pave a homeowner's driveway or a boat chartered to take people on a fishing trip.

"It's hurting the consumer," Corrigan said.

Economists say the hike in the price of oil is worrisome. Consumers have to spend money on gasoline that they otherwise might spend at malls or on a trip to the beach this summer. Businesses have to spend money on gasoline that they otherwise could spend on new technology or hiring another worker. And companies are considering charging higher prices to recoup their escalating costs.

High energy prices "did contribute significantly to three of the past four recessions, so it's always a warning sign," said James W. Hughes, an economist and dean of the Edward J. Bloustein School of Planning and Public Policy at Rutgers University. "You never know you're in a bubble until it bursts."

A barrel of crude oil last Thursday cost $73.32, up more than 50 percent from last year, mainly because the supply has declined and the demand remains strong, experts have said. The market also has reacted to a variety of geopolitical events. Last week, for example, crude oil futures jumped after police said gunmen in Nigeria kidnapped two oil workers, intensifying worries about a disruption, The Associated Press reported.

More at The Asbury Park Press


As energy prices reverberate into the economy, hints about the supply possibly not meeting demand creep into the media, but they must be temporary, just until we can straigten out those Nigerians, right?

Later is the article is this gem '"If we raise our prices, then when it comes back down are you supposed to change everything and come back down again?" Whesper said.' There's a lot of Americans who think the price is going to "come back down" sometime soon. Aren't they in for a surprise! :cry:
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Re: Pain is not just at the pump

Unread postby JoeCoal » Mon 15 May 2006, 00:56:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timbuk 3', 'T')he Future's So Bright I Gotta Wear Shades

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Re: Pain is not just at the pump

Unread postby Vexed » Mon 15 May 2006, 01:33:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ain is not just at the pump


Last year, I purchased 50 commercial plastic ceiling light grids for $7.00 each. This year they are $11.50 each.
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Re: Pain is not just at the pump

Unread postby Longsword » Mon 15 May 2006, 02:00:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ain is not just at the pump


Last year, I purchased 50 commercial plastic ceiling light grids for $7.00 each. This year they are $11.50 each.


Don't worry though, the government and the Feredral Reserve have announced that the inflation is "mild" so you were imangining the price rise. (Sarcasm).
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Re: Pain is not just at the pump

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Mon 15 May 2006, 02:37:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeCoal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timbuk 3', 'T')he Future's So Bright I Gotta Wear Shades

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Re: Pain is not just at the pump

Unread postby ohanian » Mon 15 May 2006, 07:43:41

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')A barrel of crude oil last Thursday cost $73.32, up more than 50 percent from last year, mainly because the supply has declined and the demand remains strong, experts have said. The market also has reacted to a variety of geopolitical events. Last week, for example, crude oil futures jumped after police said gunmen in Nigeria kidnapped two oil workers, intensifying worries about a disruption, The Associated Press reported.


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Unread postby seldom_seen » Tue 16 May 2006, 12:55:31

Can you take a chunk of asphalt and throw it in the fire like a piece of wood or coal? If so, we have the home heating source for the future. Our roads and parking lots!

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Re: asphalt

Unread postby pea-jay » Tue 16 May 2006, 13:01:37

Asphalt is only 6-8% oil by weight. Or volume. And the oil is the real heavy stuff too. Some smart road repavers use machines that chops old asphalt, heats it up and adds a marginal amount of new oil and then re-lays it down as new streets or parking lot. To extract that oil, you'd need one heck of an operation. THings would need to get desperate to get that stuff.
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Re: asphalt

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 16 May 2006, 13:06:18

Asphalt doesn't need desperate suburbanites tearing it up for home heating - it deteriorates fine all by itself (5-10 years).

Just pick up a chunk. :)
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Re: asphalt

Unread postby dogf » Tue 16 May 2006, 14:00:18

It would be an interesting experiment to grab a chunk and boil it like the tar sands. Just to be able to see if this might end up being a good back up after all the forests are used.
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Re: asphalt

Unread postby holmes » Tue 16 May 2006, 17:11:54

O no. Its gonna get real ugly. You know there are alternative ways of living. No really. LOL!
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Re: asphalt

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 16 May 2006, 17:58:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'C')an you take a chunk of asphalt and throw it in the fire like a piece of wood or coal? If so, we have the home heating source for the future. Our roads and parking lots!

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Take a pasta style cooking pot with the collander insert for your noodles. Fill the pasta strainer half full of asphalt paving peices, then add water until they are covered. Boil it for an hour or so keeping the water level above the asphalt.

Pull the strainer out and dump out the aggregate, add more asphalt chunks and set it back in the pot of boiling water. In a few hours of repeating this you will get a gallon of hot liquid asphalt and about 40 gallons volume of aggregate.

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Canda: Asphalt Costs Increase, Shortages, Paving

Unread postby EndOfSewers » Wed 07 Jun 2006, 19:17:21

[web]http://www.manitobanet.com/newsCKLQ.php?subject=news[/web] (scroll to the bottom)
Here in Saskatchewan the spring budget had to allocate an extra $45 million to cover increased asphalt costs.
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Re: Asphalt Costs Increase, Shortages, Paving Cutbacks Possi

Unread postby pea-jay » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 01:35:09

Well, yah that would be an understandable reaction. My jurisdiction I used to work for budgeted their repaving numbers well in advance. Increases in costs simply resulted in fewer lane miles of new asphalt.
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Re: Asphalt Costs Increase, Shortages, Paving Cutbacks Possi

Unread postby Concerned » Sat 10 Jun 2006, 04:31:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'W')ell, yah that would be an understandable reaction. My jurisdiction I used to work for budgeted their repaving numbers well in advance. Increases in costs simply resulted in fewer lane miles of new asphalt.


True but that can only go on for so long. Eventually you have to repair the roads otherwise the cars won't be able to travel along them. Simple as that short term you can avoid the cost of repairs long term if oil continues to climb in price your costs to fix road infrastructure will only increase.
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Re: Asphalt Costs Increase, Shortages, Paving Cutbacks Possi

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 10 Jun 2006, 04:35:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ventually you have to repair the roads otherwise the cars won't be able to travel along them


You could also let them revert back to unpaved status. My county also wanted to do that in response to the increasing cost of paving.
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Re: Asphalt Costs Increase, Shortages, Paving Cutbacks Possi

Unread postby Sys1 » Sun 11 Jun 2006, 18:22:44

SUV don't need any asphalt ! They are so robust with their fat wheels!
Let's buy huge Hummers !
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Re: Asphalt Costs Increase, Shortages, Paving Cutbacks Possi

Unread postby EndOfSewers » Sun 11 Jun 2006, 18:35:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'Y')ou could also let them revert back to unpaved status. My county also wanted to do that in response to the increasing cost of paving.


I remember hearing someone on the radio at least 15 years ago saying that maintaining the paved roads in Manitoba and Saskatchewan was unsustainable and they should revert to gravel. Makes sense, given the huge area and small population, but not very pleasant for those affected.
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Re: Asphalt Costs Increase, Shortages, Paving Cutbacks Possi

Unread postby Novus » Sun 11 Jun 2006, 18:49:50

Asphalt can be recycled for repaving. The roads near where I live are so heavly traveled they need to be repaved every 18 months. The old asphalt is ripped up and recycled otherwise by now the roads would be ten feet thick. It has been very expensive. The state's transportation buget is bunkrupt. The entire state gas tax is used simply to service interest on past debts. Road funding is now comming out of the general budget but what we really need is a new 50 cent gas tax.
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Re: Asphalt Costs Increase, Shortages, Paving Cutbacks Possi

Unread postby pea-jay » Mon 12 Jun 2006, 14:01:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'A')sphalt can be recycled for repaving. The roads near where I live are so heavly traveled they need to be repaved every 18 months. The old asphalt is ripped up and recycled otherwise by now the roads would be ten feet thick. It has been very expensive. The state's transportation buget is bunkrupt. The entire state gas tax is used simply to service interest on past debts. Road funding is now comming out of the general budget but what we really need is a new 50 cent gas tax.


If they are repaving that much, it sounds like they ought to consider a more robust paving mix and or simply rebuilding the road to a higher standard in the first place.

Of course over the long term, traffic induced wear and tear will decrease
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