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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 19 May 2009, 16:23:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') wonder if the Amish will be overrun when TSHTF... I do believe they will be unless they compromise their peaceful beliefs... they have a lot of good growing land...


What group of people are just itching to get onto some good growing land to grow - what? I guess what I'm asking is, who do you think would be "overrunning" the Amish in order to take over land they have no idea what to do with? What good would it do them to "overrun" neighbors who can actually grow food? Wouldn't it make more sense to protect the Amish so they can continue to grow food, instead of displacing them with people who have no idea what they're doing when faced with a piece of land and a horse and plow?

Is the Zombie Horde actually that stupid? (I wouldn't know, I've never met any zombies [smilie=5zombie.gif] )


Ludi,

You make perfect sense, unfortunately your one of very few who do. I would expect that people run them off and take the farm - or - enslave them and take their fruits.

Is the Zombie Horde actually that stupid? Yeeaaauuup!

And, have I ever met anyone like that? Well, I think most of us are like that. Look around the world and you see many examples of man's inhumanity to man. I think that there has been tons of research (start with Milgram sp?) showing how very easy it is to turn one man on another. Look at the murder rates in our cities. Look at Rawanda, the killing fields, Hitler, etc. and so on and so forth. Hell, look at the KKK and Mai Lai (Vietnam - sp?) and Abu Garabe (prison - sp?) in our own recent past.

They are all just "normal" people in different circumstances.

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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 20 May 2009, 10:20:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')If things get ugly, as in Chilean-soccer-team-stranded-in-the-Alps ugly, almost anything is possible.



But first you have to get stranded in "Alps"* with a Chilean soccer team. :|


*I think it was actually the Andes


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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 20 May 2009, 14:58:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')here's a pic of a banana Amish:
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Using chemical fertilizers in plastic packaging? How sustainable.


Lol, I didn't notice that. Oh well, cut him some slack. If you had to dress like that and drive a horse and buggy all around the jungles of Belize maybe you'd cheat on the fertilizer too. ;)
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 20 May 2009, 15:13:36

Huh?? Amish are allowed to work manufacturing RVs? What's up with that?
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:04:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', ' ')Look at the murder rates in our cities.


I looked at the murder rates in one of our biggest cities (one I'm also familiar with, having lived there for a number of years) and was very encouraged. If most of us were "like that" the murder rates would be much, much higher.



Total murders in Los Angeles County 2005: 1,068

Total violent crimes in LA County 2005: 66,350

Population of Los Angeles County 2005: 10,163,097

Only about 1% ( or less) of people are violent criminals. Only a fraction of a percent are murderers.



http://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr03_05.htm
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:11:46

Ludi,

I think I could argue the point but I don't know to what end. I'm sufficiently depressed already.

Let us hope your more optimistic view of humanity is more correct than mine for ourselves and the Amish, they are doing a very useful thing.
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:20:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'L')udi, I think I could argue the point but I don't know to what end. .
I looked at the crime rates as you suggested, and was encouraged. I don't think badly of other people, in general I have been treated well by them, at worst, I've been ignored.
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:23:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o that's your plan? Dispensing with any sort of respect for human life other than your own?
That's not my plan. That's what I think a lot of other people's plan will be when they get desperate enough.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') have never met anyone like that in real life
You've probably already met people like that. They just haven't gotten depserate enough to lose their morality.
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:26:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Very few societies were able to make it as raiders. It's not the easy lifestyle folks here make it out to be.


All it takes is for them to be around long enough to raid your neighborhood once for you to be a casualty. I wouldn't disregard the potential threat.
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:27:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')hat's not my plan. That's what I think a lot of other people's plan will be when they get desperate enough.
So a lot of people are much worse people than you are? Why do you think you're extra nice?
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:28:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')ll it takes is for them to be around long enough to raid your neighborhood once for you to be a casualty. I wouldn't disregard the potential threat.
I'll let my gunned-up neighbors deal with the problem. Or maybe my husband will suddenly take to shooting people.
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:31:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Only about 1% ( or less) of people are violent criminals. Only a fraction of a percent are murderers.


"They say that every society is only three meals away from revolution."
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:34:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
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"They say that every society is only three meals away from revolution."



Who are "They" and why would someone revolt against their neighbors who are in the same boat as they are?
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:44:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')So a lot of people are much worse people than you are?


I'm withholding judgment. Collapse will show people's true colors, good and bad. I don't expect people to behave exactly the same when life becomes a matter of day to day survival. It will be hard to predict which way they'll go in the end. For all I know Mr. Truck Nutz will have an epiphany.
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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 20 May 2009, 17:48:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ho are "They" and why would someone revolt against their neighbors who are in the same boat as they are?
Some neighbors are in a much sturdier ship than others.

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Re: With 19% unemployment, Amish "face crisis of faith"

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 21 May 2009, 09:24:15

About human nature: there was a study of college guys asked if they would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it, and 1/3 said yes.

What does that tell you about human nature?

Personally my theory is that 1/3 people are ethical/good, 1/3 are unethical/evil, and 1/3 are neutral or will go with the flow.

The 1% that are criminals represent 3% of the evil that simply can't contain themselves.

Sort of answers how things like the Holocaust or Bosnia or Rwanda or Cambodia happen.

About would-be-rape studies:
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199 ... r-and.html

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qs ... 5001893034

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