by odegaard » Sat 02 May 2009, 17:20:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'P')eople are dumb. They want free lunches. Politicians are smart. They "offer" them.
Taxpayers get hit with the bill...
Tune in, turn on and drop out.
I once asked a Liberal, "Show me an example of Liberalism done right"
The person replied with no hesitation: SWEDEN
After doing a little research I have found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Incom ... ountry.svgSweden has:
low corporate tax rates = less than 30% (less than the USA)
high personal tax rates = almost 50% (much higher than the USA)
So the truth has been revealed.
Sweden has very "Conservative" tax rates for big businesses but very "Liberal" tax rates for individuals.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eople are dumb. They want free lunches. Politicians are smart. They "offer" them.
Taxpayers get hit with the bill...
I totally agree.
by odegaard » Tue 12 May 2009, 01:10:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'M')y problem with the Human Development Index is that it is based on a bunch of statistics that don't mean anything.
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+1
It is a fact that the USA beats western Europe hands down when looking at "normal" economic indicators such as GDP per capita, employment rates, and especially disposable income.
Naturally this has gotten a lot of Liberals upset.
Because according to their ideology more government social welfare (something Europe is known for) is suppose to equal more prosperity but that is obviously not showing up in the economic statistics.
So what's a blind ideologist suppose to do when the cold hard facts do NOT support their ideology?
Why yes of course invent a new statistical index using "cherry picked" numbers to make whatever claim.
Ladies and Gentleman --> that is how the human development index got invented.
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by odegaard » Tue 12 May 2009, 01:50:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'm')arginal taxation rates are about as low as they've ever been. So quit your pissin' and moanin'.
tax rates are much higher in western europe/australia/canada......yet their people are much happier,live longer, are better educated, have free health care,free higher education, gauranteed pensions, longer paid vacations, retire earlier, ....all while working fewer hours for fewer years.
jpgThere was never a denial that you can receive more government services providing that you pay more taxes.
The formula is simple.
If you pay $1 in taxes you will receive $1 in government services.
If you pay $2 in taxes you will receive $2 in government services.
The problem I have with your argument is you make it sound like the Europeans have found some clever way to receive $2 in government services but only pay $1.
Sorry I'm NOT buying that argument.
I prefer the American system.

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by jboogy » Tue 12 May 2009, 08:53:43
odegaard wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y problem with the Human Development Index is that it is based on a bunch of statistics that don't mean anything.
he then proceeds to refute my argument with a bunch of statistics that don't mean anything
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is a fact that the USA beats western Europe hands down when looking at "normal" economic indicators such as GDP per capita, employment rates, and especially disposable income.
you're right about that GDP odius-one, why just the other day while I was trying to figure out how I was going to come up with the money to fix my painfully cracked tooth, I was comforted by the knowledge that for years while I was in my twenties and thirties, I worked a bunch of hours and produced parts out the ying-yang, so I could have a nice inground pool and pour money into various old cars and trucks, all of which I left behind in PA. I also enjoy contentment knowing that more of my countrymen have to work than in European countries,
if you believe the employment statistics from the federal government, and
if you conveniently ignore the 600,000 jobs we've been losing per month for the last year or so. Disposable income? well that is something I guess, but what if your extra income is required to purchase health insurance premiums, college tuition, investment in a 401k ( of which a large chunk has recently disappeared), gasoline to commute two hours a day to a job, day-care for the little ones(government subsidized in many european countries), etc.
odegaard wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o what's a blind ideologist suppose to do when the cold hard facts do NOT support their ideology?
I was about to ask you the same thing
Who in their right mind is going to refute indicators such as how happy or comfortable or secure or free from want a populace is, with statistics that say ...." well ...we produce more per person and we have more money to buy stuff
your government provides for free, and by the way , we all have to work our asses off over here or we live in a box under the overpass...so there"
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