[rockdoc123]

Y$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'o')u must not listen to yourself. Once again, bakken shale' has no natural drive because permeability is in the micro- to nano-Darcy region and there can be no upward pressure on the fracted regions (other than from the immediate surrounding structure around the fracture)

We also know there is no natural drive from historical evidence. The oil would have seeped upward and evaporated/oxidized at the surface, as there is no cap rock above the shale, no anticline.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow it's you who doesn't even know the difference gaseous and liquid petroleum.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'O')nly pstarr would consider it bad if farmers produced a bumper crop of something, sending the price down. Which is basically what's happened in the NG industry.

[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '.') Note that last year set a new record, even as prices stayed low and cratered late in the year.

[Maddog78]

pstarr, you really crack me up.
You play the fool so well.


This month marks my 4 year anniversary of working for a mid level shale gas company.
So while you continue to troll this message board and pooh pooh the rebound in US gas production and insist it can't be done, isn't true or sustainable or whatever else you are claiming, I'm not even sure anymore, I'll merrily carry on into my 5th year of earning a 6 figure salary and helping produce n. gas for america.

[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '
')So while you continue to troll this message board and pooh pooh the rebound in US gas production and insist it can't be done, isn't true or sustainable or whatever else you are claiming, I'm not even sure anymore, I'll merrily carry on into my 5th year of earning a 6 figure salary and helping produce n. gas for america.

[Maddog78]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', '
')Maddog, as an industry specialist, do you concur with RocDoc that EROEI is a useless metric for the work you do every day?

[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', '
')Maddog, as an industry specialist, do you concur with RocDoc that EROEI is a useless metric for the work you do every day?

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') shall search diligently for it then. As often as it is discussed, you would think every industry guy has his own EROEI assistant, to make sure they hew the company line on rate of energy return, report them for bad performance when their EROEI is low, reward them when it is high, etc etc.

[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') shall search diligently for it then. As often as it is discussed, you would think every industry guy has his own EROEI assistant, to make sure they hew the company line on rate of energy return, report them for bad performance when their EROEI is low, reward them when it is high, etc etc.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', '
')
Maddog, as an industry specialist, do you concur with RocDoc that EROEI is a useless metric for the work you do every day? Or is there an EROEI bean counter sitting in the corner somewhere, counting up all the E's, and making sure they don't equal the other E's coming out the other end, and berating you for poor performance when one E isn't quite a bit larger than the other?

We have heard quite a bit about this EROEI thing, I have even used Pstarrs information about EROEI to try and jumpstart a business buying this poor EROEI oil (no takers yet), but RocDoc says that industry doesn't care about it at all! Considering the weight this metric is given in the peak oil blogosphere (and even within the academic establishment), shouldn't you all be using it to do..something? Decide when to pay dividends to your stockholders? Base your personal performance plans on it? Have meetings to decide how to improve it? Just one, little itsy bitsy piece of paper you have to fill out with your timesheet perhaps showing your contribution towards improving this metric?

And if you concur with RocDoc that no one uses this information, as a multi-year regular around here, do you have an opinion on why all the fascination with it?

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', '
')Maddog, as an industry specialist, do you concur with RocDoc that EROEI is a useless metric for the work you do every day?

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') shall search diligently for it then. As often as it is discussed, you would think every industry guy has his own EROEI assistant, to make sure they hew the company line on rate of energy return, report them for bad performance when their EROEI is low, reward them when it is high, etc etc.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', '
')
Yes, but you were ridiculed and disrespected by Pstarr. There was the chance you, as a single industry person, are simply out of the loop, off your rocker, or a rogue. But when a second industry insider validates your position, well, that changes everything.