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Store inventories lower than normal?

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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby hoplite » Mon 08 May 2006, 23:26:45

I'm seeing the same thing in WalMArts all over the West. I just finished a whirlwind tour of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Nevada back home to California. I flew in to Spokane, WA and then went to Kellogg, ID to pick up my new truck- a 3500 4X4 Dodge Cummins Turbodiesel!!I stopped at several WalMarts along the way and I did notice sparse shelves in some. Clothing seemedfully stocked, ammo, car stereo aisle, and interestingly enough consumer electronics was VERY sparse. I looked for Sony memory sticks in several different Walmarts but they only had the real big sizes in stock (broke down and got a 1Gb because thats ALL they had)

We are witnessing the end of JIT inventory schemes!!!

Of course I believe it has more to dod with the dollar weakening than peak oil though.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Mon 08 May 2006, 23:38:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd I couldn't help noticing what seemed to me to be an unusual amount of empty space on the shelves, and in a lot of different areas too.


It is most likely the manager has poor stock control skills. I have worked in retail and I know managers are forced to keep inventory below certain levels, usually a total cost amount. Obviously the managers did not reorder the correct amount of stock.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby MfromAmsterdam » Mon 08 May 2006, 23:42:48

here in Holland no more empty shelves then usual.

(price)inflation is getting noticebly higher, especially with fruit.

it is reported that pay raises for average and below get swallowed by this.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby LadyRuby » Mon 08 May 2006, 23:44:56

I think it's a trick of the mind.

I remember doing this very same thing about 8 or 9 months ago when I went into my usual grocery store. I was convinced that there was less food on the shelves, and I was imagining a run for it.

Just a trick of the mind. Likely you hit the market before re-stocking.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 08 May 2006, 23:54:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hoplite', '.')..to pick up my new truck- a 3500 4X4 Dodge Cummins Turbodiesel!!...
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Mon 08 May 2006, 23:58:39

I wonder if its a good thing to have a Halliburton in town with a railway to it?
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Wednesday » Tue 09 May 2006, 00:35:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'I') think it's a trick of the mind.

I remember doing this very same thing about 8 or 9 months ago when I went into my usual grocery store. I was convinced that there was less food on the shelves, and I was imagining a run for it.

Just a trick of the mind. Likely you hit the market before re-stocking.


I thought of this, too. Like when you fall in love and every song on the radio reminds you of your sweetie.

That's why I started asking questions. The answers (and lack of them) left me feeling uneasy.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Pablo2079 » Tue 09 May 2006, 00:41:36

The produce looks worse than normal..... and the produce prices are higher. Haven't noticed empty shelves though....
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 09 May 2006, 00:52:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd I couldn't help noticing what seemed to me to be an unusual amount of empty space on the shelves, and in a lot of different areas too.


It is most likely the manager has poor stock control skills. I have worked in retail and I know managers are forced to keep inventory below certain levels, usually a total cost amount. Obviously the managers did not reorder the correct amount of stock.


Dukat you are apparently unaware of exactly what it is that has made Walmart so successful, namely their mastery of the logistics of inventory control. They have raised the science of the barcode to an artform. They know every item in every store; they know what sells best on what days, at what hours and in which colors, as well as a host of other data. Stock replenishment is completely automated apart from the actual placement of the merchandise in the store; there is no possibility for a manager to "not reorder the correct amount of stock", because there is no manager involved. That's why it got my attention...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'J')ust a trick of the mind. Likely you hit the market before re-stocking.

That was my thought too when I first noticed at the grocer, but I have certain days that I usually shop, and as I happen to be aware of their delivery days, I time my runs to immediately follow them. I dismissed it at first, but with seeing the same phenomenon at the Walmart, where empty shelves "just don't happen", I suspect that some of the early indicators of our pending economic slide are beginning to appear...
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby green_achers » Tue 09 May 2006, 01:04:21

I haven't been in Wallyworld for a while, but the grocery stores I patronize seem to be well-stocked. We're not quite used to having stocked stores down here, so you folks are making me nervous. It's definitely time to stock up for hurricane season if there's any chance shipments might be short.

Actually, I'm pretty well stocked on most items, just need to fill my 10 five-gallon fuel cans. I have a couple of cases of MRE's left over from last year...
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby whereagles » Tue 09 May 2006, 07:20:34

Hum.. maybe Wallmart is just rethinking their trucking schedules? ya know.. less trucks, with more load, so as to optimize efficiency. E.g. implementing the C-word.

Obviously that leads to the occasional stock rupture, but nothing more drastic than that.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Bleep » Tue 09 May 2006, 09:20:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', 'C')onsidering Africa's political maturity and the state of Nigeria.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/05/1821425.php]Africa: The New Frontier for Imperial Oil (link)[/url]

by Michael Watts and Anna Zalik Saturday, May. 06, 2006 at 5:11 PM

In his State of the Union address, George Dubya said that the U.S. is “addicted to oil.” What he didn’t say was that post-WWII oil policy – which has been a central plank of U.S. foreign policy since President Roosevelt met King Saud of Saudi Arabia and cobbled together their ‘special relationship’ in 1945 – is in shambles. The pillars of this policy – Iran, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf oil states, and Venezuela – are hardly models of U.S. spheres of influence. With surplus capacity in the world oil market at an all-time low, and speculative capacity in the commodity exchanges at an all-time high, the transnational oil companies and the oil producing states are awash in petro-dollars – but the days of cheap oil seem to be fast disappearing.
Cut to the chase$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')urrently Africa is the center of a major oil boom. The continent accounts for roughly 10 percent of world oil output and 9.3 percent of known reserves. Though oil fields in Africa are generally smaller and deeper than the Middle East - and production costs are accordingly 3-4 times higher - African crude is generally ‘sweet’ and low in sulfur, making it attractive to U.S. importers.

... Niger Delta are of enormous importance. In late 2005 and early 2006 there was a massive escalation in violent attacks on oil installations by ethnic militants (primarily Ijaw, the largest ethnic group in the oil producing region) including the taking of oil hostages by a largely unknown militant group MEND (the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta). As a result of this escalation (and events in Iran and Venezuela), oil markets remain very jittery.

... A multi-billion dollar oil industry has, however, proved to be a little more than a nightmare. To inventory the ‘achievements’ of Nigerian oil development is a salutary exercise: 85 percent of oil revenues accrue to 1 percent of the population; perhaps $100 billion of $400 billion in revenues since 1970 have simply gone “missing” (The anti-corruption chief Nuhu Ribadu, claimed that in 2003 70 percent of the country’s oil wealth was stolen or wasted; by 2005 it was “only” 40 percent). Between 1965-2004, the per capital income fell from $250 to $212 and income distribution deteriorated markedly over the same period. Between 1970 and 2000 in Nigeria, the number of people subsisting on less than one dollar per day grew from 36 percent to more than 70 percent: from 19 million to a staggering 90 million. According to the IMF, oil “did not seem to add to the standard of living” and “could have contributed to a decline in the standard of living.” Over the last decade GDP per capita and life expectancy have both fallen.
In related news:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://allafrica.com/stories/200605080164.html]Udenwa Cautions Against Reckless Utterances (link)[/url]

... The Governor of Imo State, Chief Achike Udenwa has cautioned Nigerians in leadership positions to guard against public utterances and publications that are capable of putting democracy in Nigeria under permanent threat as well as poisoning the mind-set of juveniles who may begin to think that our leaders of today are no models. ...
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby aflurry » Tue 09 May 2006, 15:56:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'Y')es.

Today I was unable to locate the brand names Borax and Pears Soap in my entire town.


yeah, but that's mainly because it isn't 1926 anymore.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Wednesday » Tue 09 May 2006, 16:03:42

...and last month it was?


After speaking to the general manager of the store, I was told that they will not carry these products anymore because they have no say in what gets shipped from the main office.

It's not a trick of the mind, or a dream or a hallucination.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 09 May 2006, 16:10:36

Wal-Mart's 'just in time' delivery system, will have to rename itself something more suitable. Maybe --just in line delivery, to reflect trucker's long wait at the pumps, in the future.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Wednesday » Tue 09 May 2006, 16:22:48

Ah, screw Wal-Mart.

I'm fortunate to have a co-op here, it's time to buy into my share. It's more expensive sure, but it's my future and it's time to support it.

Right now the co-op is kind of a hippy-dippy health food store, but it will quickly turn into a redneck farmer's market as soon as "the big guys" leave.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 09 May 2006, 20:03:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'I')'m fortunate to have a co-op here, it's time to buy into my share. It's more expensive sure, but it's my future and it's time to support it.

Most co-ops I've been to will cut an often substantial percentage off your bill in exchange for a relatively small donation of your time...
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Wednesday » Tue 09 May 2006, 21:12:30

Oh I'm sure they are as varied and different as the people who organize them.

If I understand the way mine works, you buy an annual share and then you are considered part owner. As an owner you get discounts and the right to sell your own products, after they are sampled and approved by the board for quality and safeness and if you are claiming they are organic, you have to prove it to them somehow.

Obviously, I need more details, but the way to get the discounts is to buy in as a partner, at least for this particular co-op.
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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby magician » Wed 10 May 2006, 01:21:52

yeah it must be nothing because well............... if it were something what im seeing at work would make sense. I work at a tobacco specielty convience store and we are having a devil of a time getting djarums, forien cigars, some import beer and other things that get shipped far. really far. my customers reinforce this as they come in and are not supprised that we dont have the item they are seeking because everyone else in town is short too. the cost on everything is going way the fuck up with a pack of reices pieces at .95cts. we are hearing now from the distributers of price increases in the shit american beers we sell (bud and miller if you like goat piss green beer). im hearing of import distributers running out their stock because of point source increases related to the dollar getting flushed. im also hearing that things are just getting scarce because the just in time thing is breaking down at current prices. just in time isnt quick enough to turn a profit in the face of rising energy costs. I dont know, anyone else out there in retail? mabe im just a paranoid bastard. it is getting interesting though.

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Re: Anyone else noticing?

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 10 May 2006, 01:35:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('magician', 'y')eah it must be nothing because well...if it were something what im seeing at work would make sense...I'm also hearing that things are just getting scarce because the just in time thing is breaking down at current prices. just in time isnt quick enough to turn a profit in the face of rising energy costs...it is getting interesting though...


So is your post. Frankly, that sounds downright ominous. I'm definitely going to try to pay attention to what I see going on in stores.
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