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Some energy projects

Unread postby vampyregirl » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 01:28:40

Here are some ongoing energy projects. the ones I am allowed to talk about. I hope someone finds this post informative.

Alternative and renewable energy:
) Royal Dutch Shell and CHOREN are building the first full scale BTL plant. The plant which is being built in Freiberg Germany is scheduled to come online later this year. The Biomass To Liquids plant uses Shell's SMDS technology to produce gas from wood chips, creating a synthetic fuel known as Sundiesel. It is identical to GTL, Gas To Liquids made from natural gas which is currently used in Asia to power civic transport vehicles and will soon be widely sold in Europe for private vehicles.
BTL could reduce CO2 emissions by 90%. German automakers Volkswagon and Mercedes, who are shareholders in CHOREN along with Shell have successfully tested Sundiesel. Once large scale production begins in Europe there are interested parties in the US where the next BTL plant could be built.

Also in Germany Shell and Saint Gobain Glass Deutschland have formed a joint venture company, Avancis, to produce new thin film tech solar panels. These new panels don't require silicon and are more affordable than current solar panels. The panels will be made with CIS (copper indium diselenide) technology.

Shell and Luminant plan to build the largest wind farm in the United States. The farm which will be built in the Texas panhandle will produce 3000 megawatts.

Shell's Egmond aan Zee offshore wind farm in the North Sea is currently producing enough electricity to power 100,000 Dutch homes.

Shell and HR Biopetroleum are building a pilot facility in Hawaii to grow marine algae to produce vegetable oil for conversion into biofuel. The site is near existing commercial algae enterprises which grow algae for pharmacutical and nutrition industries.

Shell is a partner is the proposed London Array wind farm, a proposed offshore wind farm with 341 turbines that could power 750k homes in Britain.

Shell hydrogen fueling stations have opened in White Plains, New York and in Shanghai China. Hydrogen is made on site so there is no need for deliveries. 30kg of hydrogen stored at facility.

Natural Gas:
( Pearl GTL plant in Quatar will be completed by next year. Will produce 260k bpd of Syndiesel for the European market. This new GTL plant will be much larger than the Shell GTL plant in Malaysia which produces Syndiesel and clean burning aviation fuel for Asian markets.

The Named field in the Eastern Meditteranean could produce an additional 75k bpd for European market. Also Indian Gas Authority Limited has bought into Named so they can have there own LNG to burn in Indian power plants.

Also four new natural gas fields have been discovered in Egypt's Western Desert, in Shell's Badr El Din concession.

Japanese Mitsui and Mitsubishi are shareholders in Sakhalin Energy in order to secure there own LNG. The Sakhalin2 project is developing new oil and gas fields off Siberian coast. The partners in Sakhalin Energy are Gazprom 50% Royal Dutch Shell 27.5% Mitsui 12.5% Mitsubishi 10%
It is the largest integrated oil and gas project currently under development.

Australian Northwest Shelf venture under development. Shell has contracted LNG buyers in Asia and North America from Australian venture.

Shell China named operator of a Coalbed Methane project in China. Still in testing stages to determine economic potential.

Crude oil:
) Shell and BP expanding Na Kita project in Gulf of Mexico.
Astokhskove oil field being developed as part of Sakhalin project.
A shell rig recently made a deep water find in Eastern Gulf of Mexico.
Shell and ConocoPhillips have entered into agreement for oil exploration off the Malaysian coast.

That is all for now, i might post more later
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby FreakOil » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 04:57:21

Would you mind telling me about Shell's project to reduce population and end the perpetual growth economy? The last thing I want are new sources of energy that allow us to keep those two things going so we can continue trashing the planet.
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby vampyregirl » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 00:29:32

Tell you what FreakOil I will buy you a plane ticket to Africa or new Guinea so you can live like a stinkin savage in the jungle for the rest of your days. That is what you modern world haters want isn't it?
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby joewp » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 00:44:39

O, "stinkin savage", huh? Not too desperate to keep the fossil fuel gravy train going for just a little longer, are we? In case you didn't know, your ancestors were "stinkin savages", v-girl, and your descendants will be too.

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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 01:18:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'T')ell you what FreakOil I will buy you a plane ticket to Africa or new Guinea so you can live like a stinkin savage in the jungle for the rest of your days.


That's not a very good recruiting pitch for luring oil production technologists into Africa.
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby vampyregirl » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 01:23:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'T')ell you what FreakOil I will buy you a plane ticket to Africa or new Guinea so you can live like a stinkin savage in the jungle for the rest of your days.


That's not a very good recruiting pitch for luring oil production technologists into Africa.


You're right i shouldn't have said that. I'm just not feeling well tonight
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby FreakOil » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 01:39:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'T')ell you what FreakOil I will buy you a plane ticket to Africa or new Guinea so you can live like a stinkin savage in the jungle for the rest of your days.
That's not a very good recruiting pitch for luring oil production technologists into Africa.
You're right i shouldn't have said that. I'm just not feeling well tonight

Hello Vampyregirl. I know how you feel. I wasn't feeling well when I wrote the above post. I should know better than to come onto a thread about new energy projects and write self-righteously about population and runaway economic growth.

For the record, I don't think we need to live in the jungle like savages. I certainly don't want to do that, too many weird bugs and snakes. I do believe that we need to find a new way to live in homeostasis with the biosphere, but I'd like to incorporate the great potential of humanity into that new way of living, like art and music.

Anyway, I'm sorry to hijack your thread. I'm sure there are people on the site who will be interested in the above projects, and I'd prefer to make friends rather than enemies.
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby vampyregirl » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 02:33:25

This is a bit off topic but runaway economic growth as you call it began in the nineteenth century with what we call the Industrial Revolution.
Up until 1820 or so world economic growth was pretty stagnant.
Then came the steam engine. It powered factory machinery enabling mass production on a scale never seen before. Steam engine locomotives and ships allowed people and materials to be transported faster than ever possible before.
Also high speed communication was developed begining with the telegraph wire. The combination of high speed manufacturing, transport and communication enabled commerce to flow more smoothly than ever before and led to unprecedented creation of wealth.
And it went on from there. The internal combustion engine, the telephone, the airplane, the internet etc.
Today the world GDP is growing at $15 trillion a year.
According to Forbes the wealthiest 1 billion people live mostly in North America, Western Europe and Japan. The poorest one billion people live mainly in Africa and India.
These poorest of the poor are still living in the 16th century from an economic standpoint. Many people in Latin America, Asia, Eastern Europe etc are still living in the early nineteenth century economically speaking.
The explosion of economic growth was created by innovation in transport and communication and remains so today. There is no stopping it unless you want to go back in time. Understand?
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby seldom_seen » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 02:56:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'T')here is no stopping it unless you want to go back in time. Understand?

But how the world turns. One day, cock of the walk. Next, a feather duster. Play something tragic Ton Ton.
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby vampyregirl » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 03:32:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', ' '). . . blah blah blah . . . etc. . . The explosion of economic growth was created by innovation in transport and communication and remains so today. There is no stopping it unless you want to go back in time. Understand?
Actually the explosion of economic growth was created by a combination of innovation in transport and communication and lots of cheap petroleum energy. which is ending. so sad.

and yes there is stopping it because yes we are probably doomed to go back in time. sadly enough regardless of your best techtopian dreams and desires. so sorry. good night. :twisted:


Did you bother to read list of ongoing energy projects? If you think I'm lying feel free to check my facts for yourself. Everything i posted is public infromation. I'm not posting my techtopian dreams here just current projects that reflect a changing energy world and how the energy demand will be supplied in the future.
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby vampyregirl » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 03:47:46

I wasn't lying when i said Sundiesel has been successfully tested in Europe. Feel free to google it along with Egmond van Zee if you want. By 2010 we will see major new technology changes in the energy field and the auto industry. And more after that.
Keep in mind the steam engine wasn't taken to seriously when it was first introduced in the late 1700s and the ICE was scoffed at when it was first introduced.
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby FreakOil » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 06:06:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'T')his is a bit off topic but runaway economic growth as you call it began in the nineteenth century with what we call the Industrial Revolution.
Up until 1820 or so world economic growth was pretty stagnant.
Then came the steam engine. It powered factory machinery enabling mass production on a scale never seen before. Steam engine locomotives and ships allowed people and materials to be transported faster than ever possible before.
Also high speed communication was developed begining with the telegraph wire. The combination of high speed manufacturing, transport and communication enabled commerce to flow more smoothly than ever before and led to unprecedented creation of wealth.
And it went on from there. The internal combustion engine, the telephone, the airplane, the internet etc.
Today the world GDP is growing at $15 trillion a year.
According to Forbes the wealthiest 1 billion people live mostly in North America, Western Europe and Japan. The poorest one billion people live mainly in Africa and India.
These poorest of the poor are still living in the 16th century from an economic standpoint. Many people in Latin America, Asia, Eastern Europe etc are still living in the early nineteenth century economically speaking.
The explosion of economic growth was created by innovation in transport and communication and remains so today. There is no stopping it unless you want to go back in time. Understand?



Unfortunately perpectual economic growth on a world of finite resources is a paradox. You cannot extract mineral resouces, then turn them into machines and gadgets and dispose of them indefinitely without hitting a peak in those mineral resources. Those steamboats and locomotives that you treasure so much are made of stuff that will one day run out.

Furthermore, we are tearing apart the very fabric of the biosphere by burning the fossil fuels that those machines consume, and even if we found a cleaner fuel - a carbon neutral one like solar or nuclear - the damage of perpetual economic growth would continue because it depends on making more and more of everything in greater quantities.

Take a look at consumer goods. There would be very little economic growth if everybody got one television and a few sets of clothing for their entire lives. But built-in obsolescence and perceived obsolescence takes care of that. The television is designed to break, so you have to throw it out and buy a new one. Those clothes won't be cool enough in two years' time, so you throw them out and buy new ones. All of those products are, of course, shipped in machines requiring more fossil fuels. The result: wasted resources and polluted land, materials taken out in ever greater quantities that can never be replaced.

As the population grows exponentially, we need exponentially more food to feed everybody, food that is grown industrially, resulting ever greater quantities of fossil-fuel fertilizers being pumped in the soil. Top soil is washed out to sea, only to be replaced by more fertilizer. Soon there will be no humus, just barren dirt.

One could just as easily say that a the linear system of perpetual economic growth is in contradiction with the cyclical system of our biosphere. Nature creates life from death. The trees that fall in the forest degrade into nutrients that are food for the next generation of trees. Plant and animal waste is put in the soil to grow crops for people. Everything must be put back. You cannot simply take, take and take without the biosphere that gives us life degrading into a desert wasteland.

This is the course we are on. The final innovation of humanity will be its own destruction. Shell cannot stop it.

Understand?
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby vampyregirl » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 06:43:52

http://sustainabilityreport.shell.com/s ... ychallenge

I see your point Freak but do check this out and see if any of your concerns are being addressed.
also www.choren.com
www.biofuelsforum.com
www.shell.com/hydrogen
www.shell.com/wind
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 15:39:00

I think this is more of what he had in mind:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
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Re: Some energy projects

Unread postby FreakOil » Tue 12 Feb 2008, 01:22:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think this is more of what he had in mind:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/


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