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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Wed 04 Feb 2009, 22:25:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'A')nd go into massive debt, screwing up your credit & risking seizure of your stuff to get crap like gold, pails of rice, a bunker?

I was stupid enough to buy silver but fortunately that was all. Hopefully the price will at least go back up to $17 or $18 an ounce so I can sell and cut my losses.


i listen to everybody who is serious prepping wise.

i don't think buying silver at $17 was dumb. or perhaps that's just cognitive consistency at work ... and i don't want to admit my mistake. i bought silver at $20. a whole bunch of Morgan silver dollars.

so I'M PREPARED NOW !! 8)

seriously, though, as far as the concept of maxing out your credit cards and then either disappearing or then re-paying the debt with deflated dollars ... i think it's a very good idea to reduce the number of contractual relationships you have with corporate America and in general. i have seen corporate American do things the last few years that i would never have imagined 20-30 years ago. they are DESPERATE FOR MONEY.

personally i wouldn't want the stress of having to "elude the authorities", if i went for "Door A" and used up those BofA check-looking instant loan things to rack up some last-minute debt.

yes, maybe, if you had inside information of sudden collapse (or a guided missile headed for BofA's bank), it might be a good tool for some people to use in some situations. having dealt with Bank of America, i don't think it would be un-ethical.

the idea of taking on debt leads to something that i think will happen, the creation of "debt refuge communities", places where people can go to escape their creditors if need be. whether it's a friend's couch or an eco-village, i think you will find debt refugees.

and, maybe, debt bounty-hunters, people whose job it is to track down serious debt evaders.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Narz » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 00:10:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'R')ight now the doomiest doomer I see blogging is Karl Denninger. 8O If that guy is right then the entire modern debt financing system is a Dead Man Walking within months of crashing and burning up to the sky and down to the ground. Governments about to implode, Mad Max, the whole nine yards by the end of this year. Even Jay Hanson gives us a few more decades before lights out. The only thing I do know is that things are still getting worse. Also his predictions for 2008 were almost all correct.

Jay Hanson's a douchebag. Truly. I summed him up in a paragraph or two in some Roccman thread way back.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Narz » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 00:11:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') was just thinking about roccman today and wondering if he had bugged out to the desert to escape his creditors....

I doubt he took his own advice. :roll:
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 00:45:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')Jay Hanson's a douchebag. Truly. I summed him up in a paragraph or two in some Roccman thread way back.
A douchebag? I didn't see your summation of Hanson. Maybe you could tell it to us again for those who didn't see it. What's to dispute? Fossil fuel use rises and then falls due to its finite nature. He points it out and that makes him a douchebag? The DOE estimates that we could conceivably replace 30% of our energy needs with alternatives by 2030. Well, that's going nowhere now with this financial/economic crash. What are you smoking?
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 02:13:55

Roccman has a website right here

http://roccland.blogspot.com/

He updates it all of the time. If you want to go after him, then that is the place to do it.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby sittinguy » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 14:00:56

Pretorian, thinks that Rocc will be sitting around scratching his ass with a gold coin and watching his big flat screen. Well I have those things also, but the difference is I won't have bounty hunters looking for me who could legaly take it all away.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Narz » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 14:06:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A') douchebag? I didn't see your summation of Hanson. Maybe you could tell it to us again for those who didn't see it. What's to dispute? Fossil fuel use rises and then falls due to its finite nature. He points it out and that makes him a douchebag? The DOE estimates that we could conceivably replace 30% of our energy needs with alternatives by 2030. Well, that's going nowhere now with this financial/economic crash. What are you smoking?

He's pathetic & hopeless & illogical & fatalistic and wants us to be too.

Fuck people like him, let him start the dieoff himself.

Here's the rest of my thoughts on Jay
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Narz » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 14:17:11

And a big fuck you also to anyone who says "there, there, you're in denial" or some stupid non-sequitur

If the world's gonna end & there's nothing you imagine that can be done about it just shut the fuck up already & stop blabbing about it & rubbing your doomerish glee in other people's faces. Time will tell who's right & who's wrong. So far guys like Hanson & Roccman have been wrong again & again, death & destruction is always "just around the corner". It's gonna get bad but not like stupid doomer fantasies & while you promote the worst of mankind - cowaring, hoarding behavior, hoping everyone else dies so you can live better; men & women will be out there trying to make the world a better place (studying climate patterns, energy, sociology, etc.). You can spit on their efforts & justify yours but don't be surprised when other people dub it pathetic & misguided.

No offense, PMS. I know you think I'm attacking "you". I think somewhere behind the doomer in you is a decent man who simply lost faith many, many years ago (nothing to do with peak oil) and is hiding behind this fatalistic doomer shit as an excuse.

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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 15:37:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')No offense, PMS. I know you think I'm attacking "you". I think somewhere behind the doomer in you is a decent man who simply lost faith many, many years ago (nothing to do with peak oil) and is hiding behind this fatalistic doomer crap as an excuse.

Namaste.
Well, not exactly. I got your point a long time ago: fark the doomers. You do seem a bit hostile towards anyone who thinks that we are headed off the cliff. That's OK, we are entitled to our opinions.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby holmes » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 15:56:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')No offense, PMS. I know you think I'm attacking "you". I think somewhere behind the doomer in you is a decent man who simply lost faith many, many years ago (nothing to do with peak oil) and is hiding behind this fatalistic doomer crap as an excuse.

Namaste.
Well, not exactly. I got your point a long time ago: fark the doomers. You do seem a bit hostile towards anyone who thinks that we are headed off the cliff. That's OK, we are entitled to our opinions.


Hi PMS good friend,
I notice a trend in many insulated urbanite types where it will all be good just a gradual change of culture and we can just continue as is with some slight changes in behaviors. However when one understands that overpopuation and immigration (THE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE) has never truly been addressed by so called "greens" and "environmentalists" one gets a sense of the depth of absolute bullsh*t and PONZI.
I mean cmon the dread locked trustifarians rant about ECO this and GREEN that yet never make one hard decision and address the overpopulation/immigration issue. So in essense the ones that should be devising new ideas and a culture are actually doing nothing thus are full of sh*t. LOL!
Prancing around blasting fellow citizens for not being "green" and such. blah.
Just take a gander how we inhabit the landscape. It is the a epitamy of suffering. Suffering just oozes from those endless parking lots and pavement and shoddy construction. And most of our development has been over the most fertile soils. Truly a suicidal culture.
It easy to have a sense of dread when you know the current landscape is not going be very accomodating to us....
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 16:20:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sittinguy', 'P')retorian, thinks that Rocc will be sitting around scratching his ass with a gold coin and watching his big flat screen. Well I have those things also, but the difference is I won't have bounty hunters looking for me who could legaly take it all away.


There are number of people here who claimed bunkrupcy. I don't remember anybody mentioning bounty hunters. Anyways, there are beach-front houses in Brazil for $50K.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Narz » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 17:33:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')ell, not exactly. I got your point a long time ago: fark the doomers. You do seem a bit hostile towards anyone who thinks that we are headed off the cliff. That's OK, we are entitled to our opinions.

Not true, I feel hostile to anyone who seems glad we're headed off a cliff & will browbeat anyone who has ideas otherwise.

And I'm a bit hostile in general over matters I don't feel like talking about.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 17:55:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')Not true, I feel hostile to anyone who seems glad we're headed off a cliff & will browbeat anyone who has ideas otherwise.

And I'm a bit hostile in general over matters I don't feel like talking about.
I have noticed some folks saying things that indicate they are glad this way of living is possibly finished. If you don't like discussing such opinions then don't. You know, as in if you don't like abortion, don't have one, etc. Your complaint of "browbeating" seems a bit whiny. DOOM & GLOOM is an integral part of this forum, a view shared by many here. Oh yeah, for a little levity: "You are just in denial!" We aren't dead yet.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 19:35:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '"')You are just in denial!" We aren't dead yet.


poor poor pms... you still don't realize the truth.

You are already dead and there is nothing you can do about it.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 19:46:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '"')You are just in denial!" We aren't dead yet.


poor poor pms... you still don't realize the truth.

You are already dead and there is nothing you can do about it.
I'll drink to that. Besides, you left a long time ago. The kid who solved the rubik's cube at the age of two is no longer with us and only an impostor posts now under that name. Whatever happened to that guy? Maybe he got shot in Afghanistan. What a pity. I kind of enjoyed his smart ass posts.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Narz » Thu 05 Feb 2009, 23:55:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') have noticed some folks saying things that indicate they are glad this way of living is possibly finished.

I am one of them but for some it's not enough to see people's lifestyles change. They won't be happy until everyone is suffering or dead.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')f you don't like discussing such opinions then don't.

I'm not very good at ignoring things I don't like. It's a curse in some ways but also good at times.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')You know, as in if you don't like abortion, don't have one, etc. Your complaint of "browbeating" seems a bit whiny. DOOM & GLOOM is an integral part of this forum, a view shared by many here. Oh yeah, for a little levity: "You are just in denial!" We aren't dead yet.

I just want to see this forum get some respect. If all we can do is say "oil is running out, therefore we're doomed" no one will take us seriously.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby bratticus » Fri 06 Feb 2009, 15:32:49

I didn't listen to Roccman but I did listen to Rococoman.

I'm now completely overstocked with 18[sup]th[/sup] Century furnishings.

Does anyone want a cute little rococo pagoda for cheap?
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 06 Feb 2009, 17:19:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')I just want to see this forum get some respect. If all we can do is say "oil is running out, therefore we're doomed" no one will take us seriously.


That's all you see here at p.o.com? We seem to be reading different messageboards. Many here people are doing a lot more than just saying "we're doomed." Many are taking active steps to change their lives, help their families and their communities.
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Re: So did anyone actually listen to Roccman?

Unread postby Micki » Sun 08 Feb 2009, 23:01:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'A')nd go into massive debt, screwing up your credit & risking seizure of your stuff to get crap like gold, pails of rice, a bunker?

I was stupid enough to buy silver but fortunately that was all. Hopefully the price will at least go back up to $17 or $18 an ounce so I can sell and cut my losses.


If you were stupid enought to buy silver, I'd like to congratulate you.
I myself have not managed to buy enough and the shops here in Australia are still empty.
When contacting Downies a week ago they told me wait til end of Feb to see if they could get any silver bullion from Perth Mint.
A strictly personal opinion; if you sell silver at $17-18, you throw away your insurance from future inflation and continuing counterparty risk. But I guess it is typical for the western world to always have a very short view of things.
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