[dolanbaker]

For domestic electrical storage, we don't need super high power density of the types that is required for vehicles, what we need are cheap long life deep cycle batteries that are stable for (preferably) decades.
These batteries sound like they may be possible candidates for this task.
I really don't mild if they take up a couple of cubic metres of space in the garage.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'F')or domestic electrical storage, we don't need super high power density of the types that is required for vehicles, what we need are cheap long life deep cycle batteries that are stable for (preferably) decades.
These batteries sound like they may be possible candidates for this task.
I really don't mild if they take up a couple of cubic metres of space in the garage.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'F')or domestic electrical storage, we don't need super high power density of the types that is required for vehicles, what we need are cheap long life deep cycle batteries that are stable for (preferably) decades.
These batteries sound like they may be possible candidates for this task.
I really don't mild if they take up a couple of cubic metres of space in the garage.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hat we need is Unobtainium. What we get are batteries, woefully inadequate energy carriers. The theoretically perfect lithium-ion battery has only 6.7% energy density of gasoline (practically it is closer to 2-3%) . In terms of peak oil, batteries are mostly non-starters for anything other than Iputz's, golf carts, WW2 submarines.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 't')he story was posted in phy.org.blah. It is the goto site for algae biofuel stories. Enough said.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'H')as anyone seen a website keeping track of the progress of all these battery technologies?

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'D')olan, electricity generation is not the major peak-oil-problem but it is important. We can do without Iputz's, electric lights and EV's but we need electricity to manufacture things. But it looks like NG will be around to do that.

[isgota]

Quite an interesting battery this is. It's made of abundant materials as well, so it could be scaled up to meet global demand for storage.

As a drawback, somebody has estimated it's energy density from the nature paper abstract, it's below state-of-the-art lithium batteries. But it's one of the firsts Al-ion batteries, so we'll see if they can improve that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', '
')If you were looking for something with a bit more discussion of the various battery technologies, you might want to check this one out:


The rechargeable revolution: A better battery

[dolanbaker]

Blond batteries, won't be very smart so!

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'B')lond batteries, won't be very smart so!

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')n terms of peak oil, batteries are mostly non-starters for anything other than Iputz's, golf carts, WW2 submarines.

[ennui2]

A good precedent here is the hype that once surrounded nimh and the cobasys patent, only to see lithium ion make that patent seem worthless before it expired. New battery technology therefore can shake things up. It's just a matter of separating the real deals from the duds, like the altairnanos of the world. Announcements like these are pretty commonplace but they seem to fall out of the 24 hour news cycle and are never heard from again. So all you can do is just kind of issue gut-feeling prediction about whether any of these will ever match the hype.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hat we need is Unobtainium. What we get are batteries, woefully inadequate energy carriers. The theoretically perfect lithium-ion battery has only 6.7% energy density of gasoline (practically it is closer to 2-3%) . In terms of peak oil, batteries are mostly non-starters for anything other than Iputz's, golf carts, WW2 submarines.

[davep]

Nobody interested in genuine PO mitigation attempts by my friend then?

He also has a composting toilet, with the wee and other water going through a reedbed to a clean pond.

Until recently he also sold eggs to a restaurant about 10km away in exchange for their food garbage that he'd sort and feed to his pig (he'd get a new one each year) and end up with 150kg of piggy goodness. He rotated the pig each year with corn.

He's got lots of other projects too, but money is obviously a limiting factor. So a bit of help from PO-aware people would be handy for this interesting project (a total of 1200km over six travelling days via electrically assisted bicycles).

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'N')obody interested in genuine PO mitigation attempts by my friend then?

He also has a composting toilet, with the wee and other water going through a reedbed to a clean pond.

Until recently he also sold eggs to a restaurant about 10km away in exchange for their food garbage that he'd sort and feed to his pig (he'd get a new one each year) and end up with 150kg of piggy goodness. He rotated the pig each year with corn.

He's got lots of other projects too, but money is obviously a limiting factor. So a bit of help from PO-aware people would be handy for this interesting project (a total of 1200km over six travelling days via electrically assisted bicycles).

[kanon]

This is from the battery-technology-thread-pt-3-merged and I couldn't help thinking it is very much like the subject of this thread. Does anyone knowledgeable care to compare and contrast? New device combines the advantages of batteries and supercapacitors
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rofessor Richard Kaner and Dr. Maher El-Kady have made an important step in this direction by creating a high-performance hybrid supercapacitor. Like other supercapacitors, their device charges and discharges very quickly and lasts more than 10,000 recharge cycles. But, according the scientists, their invention also stores six times more energy than a conventional supercapacitor, holding more than twice as much charge as a typical thin-film lithium battery in one fifth the thickness of a sheet of paper.

[Peak_Yeast]

Well - I do wish the battery technology would take a leap forward and give us the best of batteries and supercapacitors all-in-one.

I have hoped for this for the past 10 years sinc I started looking at solarcells for my house. Now I have the cells, but no viable storage. And nothing - NOTHING - would suit me better than getting off the grid.

After having seen 100+ articles about new fantastic batteries that are ALMOST commercialized my enthusiasm has been dampened somewhat. But, of course, progress probably will happen eventually... Or not.

Another snag is that very often companies take micro-steps forward in order to maximize profits.. So that every year the item is only slightly better than last year (or the competition for that matter). - Or another way to say it: How to waste most possible time and destroy as many resources as possible during the progress.

[ennui2]

Look on google for hopeful battery news and ye shall find, but out of all these overly optimistic "flying car" type articles that seem to come out like clockwork, maybe 1 or 2 viable new battery types will eventually emerge in the next 10 years and there's no way to really know based on the wording of these things which it will be.