[careinke]

In some places, roads were maintained by conscripting all of the males who lived along the route to work on the road. So, basically if road work needed to be done within a mile or so of your house, you were expected to provide the labor to keep it maintained. Of course it was scheduled around harvests and other work that needed to be done.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I')n some places, roads were maintained by conscripting all of the males who lived along the route to work on the road. So, basically if road work needed to be done within a mile or so of your house, you were expected to provide the labor to keep it maintained. Of course it was scheduled around harvests and other work that needed to be done.

[sparky]

.
I't hardly capitalism , the feudal lords has labor rights over the tenants
usually about 40 days a year , it was some kind of tax in kind
it was used for working the lords lands , building forts and clearing the roads
pretty much in this order

[Lore]

But I have no feudal lords,... I sense another opportunity!

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
I't hardly capitalism , the feudal lords has labor rights over the tenants
usually about 40 days a year , it was some kind of tax in kind
it was used for working the lords lands , building forts and clearing the roads
pretty much in this order

[sparky]

.
Indeed , road maintenance was for a long time a local concern .
it could be the local big man or the local council ,
that's a distinction without a difference in my mind
As far as I know ,after the Roman Empire ,
the first case of the central government taking some interest in road
was in Victoria Britain during the great potato famine of the 1840ies

Welfare on demand was unthinkable especially to those shifty Irish
then so someone in Whitehall got a scheme going eventually ,
people would work on the roads and get paid a dole
It didn't stop a million or so to starve , but it gave Ireland some fine roads

[The Practician]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')
In an imaginary post apocalyptic world bicycles will have a place, but I doubt very much if you're going to be able to find parts to fix a Shimano derailleur.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The Practician', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')
In an imaginary post apocalyptic world bicycles will have a place, but I doubt very much if you're going to be able to find parts to fix a Shimano derailleur.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The Practician', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')
In an imaginary post apocalyptic world bicycles will have a place, but I doubt very much if you're going to be able to find parts to fix a Shimano derailleur.

[dolanbaker]

Don't underestimate the abilities of people to "reinvent the wheel" if necessary, the end product will not be anywhere as sophisticated as the current production models but will be functional and build-able.

As for roads, well they'll be around for centuries but motorways & bypasses would mostly be abandoned due to the reduced horizon of most travellers.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')While engineering, manufacturing and assembling a modern metal bicycle might at first seem like a rather simple enterprise; I couldn't imagine any one person right off hand that could accomplish the task.

[Lore]

A frame does not a bicycle make. You only have to imagine a world with no or limited electrical service to get the idea.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A') frame does not a bicycle make.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A') frame does not a bicycle make.

[Beery]

The bicycle was invented in the 1860s. The world of the 1860s did not have widely available cheap energy, electricity or mass production: it was a world powered by coal or wood. But it was an industrial era: the city of London had a population of 3 million. Anyone who thinks a post-oil world will regress to a pre-industrial state is fooling himself.

Besides, we do not need even 19th Century equipment to build a bicycle:

[Lore]

Had an opportunity to see the movie "War Horse" the other day. Pretty good flick by the way. I'd love to see a calvery charge across open ground on bicycles.

[dolanbaker]

Interesting to see that this thread has changed from "post peak" as in having less fuel than is available now, to "post fuel" like in no fuel at all, otherwise why would only bicycles be discussed!

Post peak to me simply means less traffic, more public transport, small engined cars and far fewer SUV types.

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')Post peak to me simply means less traffic, more public transport, small engined cars and far fewer SUV types.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ObiWan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')Post peak to me simply means less traffic, more public transport, small engined cars and far fewer SUV types.

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', ' ')A few more Percent in the drop in oil supply and the affects will become VERY noticeable when the peak time congestion all but disappears from many of the current "pinch points".