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Re: Lehman - BK Imminent - Bloomberg TV

Unread postby Ang » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 00:16:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ang', 'I') think LEH just filed BK.


Got a link or something for information?


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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby IndigoMoon » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 00:23:33

Lehman Brothers may be forced to seek an orderly unwinding of its businesses. All potential buyers walked away after the U.S. Treasury refused to budge on its refusal to provide any takeover aid, as it had done six months ago when Bear Stearns faltered and earlier this month when it seized Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Expectations that the 158-year-old Lehman would survive dimmed after Barclays PLC withdrew its bid to buy the investment bank. Barclays and Bank of America were considered front-runners to buy Lehman, which is foundering under the weight of $60 billion in soured real estate holdings.

Employees emerging Sunday night from Lehman's headquarters near the heart of Times Square carried boxes, tote bags and duffel bags, rolling suitcases, framed artwork and spare umbrellas. Many were emblazoned with the Lehman Brothers name.

TV trucks lined Seventh Avenue opposite the building, while barricades at the building's main entrance attempted to keep workers and onlookers from gumming up the steady flow of pedestrians flowing in and out of Times Square.

Some workers had moist eyes while a few others wept and shared hugs. Most who left the building quietly declined interviews.

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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 00:38:21

CNBC just said Lehman has just filed for Chapter 11.

Surprised they didn't file for Chapter 7.

EDIT: Press release here:
Lehman Press Release
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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby jdmartin » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 00:42:27

It's on breaking news on CNBC - Lehman filed for Chapter 11.
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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby cipi604 » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 00:43:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')SX Suspends Lehman Brothers Australia As Market Participant
September 15, 2008: 12:29 AM EST



MELBOURNE -(Dow Jones)- The Australian Securities Exchange Monday suspended the local arm of Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc. (LEH) from trade, as the U.S. investment bank teeters on the brink of collapse.

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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby jdmartin » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 00:44:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'C')NBC just said Lehman has just filed for Chapter 11.

Surprised they didn't file for Chapter 7.

EDIT: Press release here:
Lehman Press Release


Maybe it's the only way to spin off the parts that might have a little bit of value through name recognition. By the time it's over, the head company will cease to exist anyway.
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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 00:44:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'I')t's on breaking news on CNBC - Lehman filed for Chapter 11.


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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 00:53:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'C')NBC just said Lehman has just filed for Chapter 11.

Surprised they didn't file for Chapter 7.

EDIT: Press release here:
Lehman Press Release


Maybe it's the only way to spin off the parts that might have a little bit of value through name recognition. By the time it's over, the head company will cease to exist anyway.


We'll see what happens here.

Just because they requested Chap 11 doesn't mean that they will eventually emerge from Chapter 11 as a going concern.

Very simply, there is often not enough left of a company to reconstruct the debt and emerge as a going concern.

The Chap 11 procedures drag on, and eventually it is converted to a liquidation (Chap 7).


In this case, Chap 11 does 2 things for Lehman . . .

1. Allows other banks time to potentially bail out Lehman without having to have the nuclear waste paper marked to market.

2. Stops all creditor legal attacks.
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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby Snowrunner » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 01:00:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'C')NBC just said Lehman has just filed for Chapter 11.

Surprised they didn't file for Chapter 7.

EDIT: Press release here:
Lehman Press Release


Maybe it's the only way to spin off the parts that might have a little bit of value through name recognition. By the time it's over, the head company will cease to exist anyway.


We'll see what happens here.

Just because they requested Chap 11 doesn't mean that they will eventually emerge from Chapter 11 as a going concern.

Very simply, there is often not enough left of a company to reconstruct the debt and emerge as a going concern.

The Chap 11 procedures drag on, and eventually it is converted to a liquidation (Chap 7).


In this case, Chap 11 does 2 things for Lehman . . .

1. Allows other banks time to potentially bail out Lehman without having to have the nuclear waste paper marked to market.

2. Stops all creditor legal attacks.


As I understand it the only reason they get Chapter 11 is to sell off their assets, they do not have the "legal standing" to reorganize:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ehman’s broker-deal subsidiaries would not be a part of the bankruptcy filing. Those entities must file under Chapter 7 rules, which are the procedures for liquidation, under the assumption that it is the best way to protect customers. The Securities Investor Protection Corporation would handle the liquidation of such brokerages, and bankruptcy lawyers say that customers are likely to receive their holdings back.


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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 01:14:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', '<')/div>

Great link SR!

I was unaware that special rules applied to financials.

The part that is fascinating is that, apparently, the 05 BK code changes include the following:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')oreover, changes to the bankruptcy code mean that counterparties to Lehman’s credit-default swaps can seize their collateral at any time, posing an enormous potential risk to the entire financial markets. Investment banks, hedge funds and other financial players labored throughout Sunday to offset their exposure to Lehman, moving their contracts to other firms.


That is fascinating.

Now I see why all other banks are so afraid - if the CDS counter parties start seizing the collateral, the value of the collateral will be fixed very quickly!
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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 01:17:41

I realize this is Small Potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but consider here what just happenned to the Condo market on the Upper East Side of NY and out in the Hamptons.

Overnight, quite a few stockbrokers making 6 or 7 figures just lost their jobs. One also has to suspect they hold most of their personal wealth in the form of the same kind of crap they were selling. In any event, they aren't making 6 figures tomorrow, and one suspects also they have mortgage payments due on the condo and the beach house. If they put them up for sale tomorrow, who is gonna buy them, and who could get a mortgage to buy them? How long do you suppose these folks will be sitting tight and hunkering down in the Townhouse? When do they send in the Jingle Mail and head off in the Yacht to Europe assuming they have part of their investments in Euros?

I'm trying to figure out how the mega rich are going to try to escape this whole thing. Any ideas here?

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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby Snowrunner » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 01:19:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', '<')/div>

Great link SR!

I was unaware that special rules applied to financials.

The part that is fascinating is that, apparently, the 05 BK code changes include the following:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')oreover, changes to the bankruptcy code mean that counterparties to Lehman’s credit-default swaps can seize their collateral at any time, posing an enormous potential risk to the entire financial markets. Investment banks, hedge funds and other financial players labored throughout Sunday to offset their exposure to Lehman, moving their contracts to other firms.


That is fascinating.

Now I see why all other banks are so afraid - if the CDS counter parties start seizing the collateral, the value of the collateral will be fixed very quickly!


Yes, that had jumped out to me as well, hence why I posted that little nugget over in the "Economic and Housing collapse" a few hours ago.

It's not only blood we're smelling here folks.
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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 01:28:40

Just wait until the commercial loans start hitting.
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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 03:15:46

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`Tectonic' Shift on Wall Street as Lehman Fails, Merrill Sold

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Sept. 15 (Bloomberg) -- In the biggest reshaping of the financial industry since the Great Depression, two of Wall Street's most storied firms, Merrill Lynch & Co. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., headed toward extinction.

New York-based Lehman, founded 158 years ago, said early today that it plans to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection after failing to find a buyer. Merrill Lynch, 94 years old and also based in New York, agreed to sell itself to Bank of America Corp. for $50 billion in an emergency deal hashed out yesterday.

``The tectonic plates beneath the world financial system are shifting, and there is going to be a new financial world order that will be born of this,'' said Peter Kenny, managing director at Knight Capital Group Inc., the Jersey City, New Jersey-based brokerage that handles about $1 trillion worth of stock transactions a quarter. ``It's an ugly and painful process.''

The engines that powered record growth in the financial industry over the last decade -- cheap credit and surging property values -- have been thrust into reverse. Companies that once thrived on making real estate loans and holding assets bought with borrowed money are now under siege, giving the upper hand to those less reliant on leverage and holding the fewest assets tied to property.


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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby drgoodword » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 03:19:25

Sad Little Article On CNN About The Ground-Level Drama At Lehman HQ

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (Fortune) -- The last hours, minutes really, of one the world's largest investment banks make for a pretty unusual spectacle.

I'm standing outside Lehman Brothers headquarters on 7th Ave and 50th street in New York City watching Lehman Brothers die.

Employees, some in suits, others in casual clothes, are filing out with all they can carry as time runs out.

They are walking down the sidewalk past police barricades as scores of New Yorkers and tourists gawk, some asking, "Which star is coming out?" - not knowing what's going on.

A big cop issues the standard "keep moving" line to those of us who stop to gaze. He tells the crowd, "Go home. There is no one famous coming out. You are looking at a whole bunch of people who just lost their jobs."
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Re: R.I.P. Lehman Brothers Holding Inc.

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 03:31:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drgoodword', '[')url=http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/14/news/companies/lehman_workers.fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes]Sad Little Article On CNN About The Ground-Level Drama At Lehman HQ[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (Fortune) -- The last hours, minutes really, of one the world's largest investment banks make for a pretty unusual spectacle.

I'm standing outside Lehman Brothers headquarters on 7th Ave and 50th street in New York City watching Lehman Brothers die.

Employees, some in suits, others in casual clothes, are filing out with all they can carry as time runs out.

They are walking down the sidewalk past police barricades as scores of New Yorkers and tourists gawk, some asking, "Which star is coming out?" - not knowing what's going on.

A big cop issues the standard "keep moving" line to those of us who stop to gaze. He tells the crowd, "Go home. There is no one famous coming out. You are looking at a whole bunch of people who just lost their jobs."


For the secretaries, the mailroom clerks and the janitors, I feel sadness.

For the brokers and the executives, I am gleeful.

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World Markets Down 2-5% on Lehman News

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 03:59:32

[web]http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe[/web]
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Re: World Markets Down 2-5% on Lehman News

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 04:13:12

Suggested name for BofA/ML amalgam: Lynch America.
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Re: World Markets Down 2-5% on Lehman News

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 04:45:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'S')uggested name for BofA/ML amalgam: Lynch America.


Now THAT is FUNNY!

My vote for quote of the year.

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Re: World Markets Down 2-5% on Lehman News

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 15 Sep 2008, 04:51:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'S')uggested name for BofA/ML amalgam: Lynch America.


I like it.

Bank of Lynch works ok too.
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