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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 31 May 2014, 13:05:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'A')merica was always deeply religious, from the beginning, and that was our success.


Not at all. That's the comic book version of history with the Pilgrims and Puritans. Remind me what they contributed to America.......??? The Puritans were literally the Taliban and they got thrown out of Europe because of their love of religious warfare and burning down other groups' churches. They were the people that banned the celebration of Christmas.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 31 May 2014, 13:18:32

AS I was saying the Politics 2016 thread, if someone just repeats the opinions they hear on Fox News, like if they started saying these things in a Very Loud Voice while riding the bus, nearly everyone would assume they were insane or high on meth.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Sat 31 May 2014, 13:21:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '.')..I sure don't think I should be punished for what other peoples ancestors did to African Americans or Hispanics or Irishmen or Chinese immigrants either...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')ell there will be people talking about "white guilt" as long as there are white supremacists, because "white guilt" is their fallback explanation for all sorts of things..


I don't want to be politically correct
I don't need no Caucasian guilt
I never cooked no Jews
I never took no Indian land
I never made no Black my slave
I never dug no Latino grave
Never made no Chinese build me a railroad
I never put no Jap in a Camp...

Noh Mercy: Caucasian Guilt
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 31 May 2014, 15:03:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '
')I don't want to be politically correct


When used in the context of "Cultural Marxism," ( Pat Buchannan, Pat Boone, Anders Breivik, Glenn Beck) Political Correctness is part of the conspiracy theory that the world was secretly conquered by a handful of Jewish refugees back in the 1960s. Like "white guilt" it's got it's own conspiracy theory backstory.

Strangely, the people are that the most worried about "political correctness" often have the most oppressive form of political correctness: religion.

And if anyone wants to learn more about "white guilt" just Google using the "site:" function

site:stormfront.org "white guilt"
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 31 May 2014, 21:55:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'N')ot at all. That's the comic book version of history with the Pilgrims and Puritans. Remind me what they contributed to America.......??? The Puritans were literally the Taliban and they got thrown out of Europe because of their love of religious warfare and burning down other groups' churches. They were the people that banned the celebration of Christmas.


If memory serves, wasn't Cromwell a Puritan? He was dictator of the whole British empire for a few years. Puritans were a big movement in England.

Anyhow.. Preston.. I'm sure you know your American history. You're forgetting the Quakers (nice folks) and there were all kinds of religions over here. A lot of people were getting run off to the colonies, lot of protestants out of Catholic nations (the hugenots in France), etc. etc. We've got every religion there is. And the Amish, still partying like it's 1899.

Don't be so anti-American. This is the best thing about America. That so many different people can get along with the common ideal that everyone has their right to persue happiness, within reason, and government will be neutral and all religions are welcome. We don't do things like France does, and try to tell muslims they can't wear head covering. We don't regulate culture here. Our common bond is our Constitution and dec of independence and all of that, from the founders, and it's open to all and still works in 2014.

It's why the US is the world melting pot. Anybody can be an American -- a Russian, a Chinese immigrant, or a muslim from the middle east, all are welcome. I drove by a new mosque in my town the other day. It occurred to me how different that is -- would have been unheard of ten, twenty years ago.

Generally, we don't have the problems with muslim immigrants that Europe and even a Canada does. Don't be so negative Preston, yes we have problems, but there's something special about this placed that people from all corners of the earth just adapt to it so well.

If we stick to our Constitution, then we won't have any problems with "reverse racism." We're at the point now, as minorities become the majority, that's it probably time to end affirmative action as the OP has talked about. It is just as wrong, and against the American ideal of a level playing field, for a white minority to be discriminated against.

I don't *think* that will happen, and I hope not, hopefully as people of color gain majority they'll remember that discrimination is wrong across the board. I saw a documentary from Australia about South Africa. There's a situation there now that poor whites (the boers) are getting discriminated against. Just working class people / middle class, actually getting fired to meet quotas. That's wrong.

Again I want to say the US ain't South Africa so nobody should go too far with fearing the same thing happening here. We just need to stop the affirmative action at this point. Let private corps do that themselves now, voluntarily, which they do anyway and that's fine. We have to stick to our ideals and Constitution though, as far as the law goes, and a level playing field applies to white folks too.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Sat 31 May 2014, 23:12:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '
')I don't want to be politically correct


When used in the context of "Cultural Marxism," ( Pat Buchannan, Pat Boone, Anders Breivik, Glenn Beck) Political Correctness is part of the conspiracy theory that the world was secretly conquered by a handful of Jewish refugees back in the 1960s. Like "white guilt" it's got it's own conspiracy theory backstory.

Strangely, the people are that the most worried about "political correctness" often have the most oppressive form of political correctness: religion.

And if anyone wants to learn more about "white guilt" just Google using the "site:" function

site:stormfront.org "white guilt"

I'm familiar with Stormfront. It's a great site to MST3K, though sometimes the straw-man has a point. I do hope that you realize that I posted that Noh Mercy song because I thought it was germane to the topic and not in support of either side of the debate.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby noobtube » Sat 31 May 2014, 23:29:09

It's interesting that there are still these fairy-tale believers that think the United States Constitution is about freedom, when it was about enshrining and instituting the United States as a slave state.

Nothing kills the credibility of someone than using the words freedom and the United States Constitution as if it has anything to do with anyone's freedom but the freedom to commit genocide, mass murder, and enslavement of continents full of people by European invaders.

Europeans weren't invited to Africa, yet terrorize Africans to this very day.
Europeans weren't invited to the Western Hemisphere and proceeded to murder every culture, tribe, and civilization they encountered.

Then, these same individuals scream about freedom, and openness, and being fair.

Are they really that stupid? Well, considering that the only thing the United States seems to produce are stupid people, I would say that is a yes.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby noobtube » Sun 01 Jun 2014, 00:01:26

The only thing that created the United States and holds it together is its hatred of all peoples, cultures, and socieities that are not considered European.

As cheap energy disappears, the concept of the United States will disappear.

Americans have been fighting a centuries long war against the Earth and its peoples. I think Peak Oil will be the foe that finally destroys Americans and the abomination they birthed, called the United States.

The world can't handle Americans anymore. They are no good for this planet.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 01 Jun 2014, 00:58:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')If memory serves, wasn't Cromwell a Puritan? He was dictator of the whole British empire for a few years. Puritans were a big movement in England.


Wikipedia has a bit about him. The Puritans were lunatics and they killed Charles the First so that they could have a Taliban-like theocracy. Cromwell was almost genocidal towards the Irish. Everywhere you see a scenic ruined castle on monastery in Ireland, It's something he burned down.

Our Puritans came to America before Cromwell, when they were out of power.

".....After his death from natural causes in 1658 he was buried in Westminster Abbey, but after the Royalists returned to power in 1660 they had his corpse dug up, hung in chains, and beheaded."

His big accomplishment was dismantling the last of the feudal system and creating the New Model Army - a professional army with real officers. At roughly the same time Cardinal Richelieu did the same thing in France, except he was a ruthless Catholic.

The Quakers ended up in America because they were pacifists, and like all pacifists they risked being killed. The Puritans went to America because they were the worlds biggest assholes and they needed fresh people to oppress. And they liked witch hunts (1690s) because they were superstitious crazy fucks.

The Puritans in Boston had one of the first rebellions against the British well before the revolution, and as much as anything they were probably sore losers about not running Britain any more.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 01 Jun 2014, 01:10:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '
')I'm familiar with Stormfront. It's a great site to MST3K, though sometimes the straw-man has a point. I do hope that you realize that I posted that Noh Mercy song because I thought it was germane to the topic and not in support of either side of the debate.
I check Stormfront pretty often, specifically to check the migration of what used to be considered obscene or insane into the "main stream" of movement conservatism. Keep in mind that white supremacists actually go to a lot of trouble to pass themselves off as "reasonable people" compared to most people on the internet. So if you find a common talking point that is really popular with white supremacists, it's not some innocent thing they picked up off Fox (who they hate for.. well the usual reasons Nazis hate stuff). If it's on Fox and StormFront, it usually started some place like StormFront then migrated by way of right wing radio and blogs over to Fox.

Now the reason that's relevant (in case anyone was wondering) is that the whole basis of Nazism is saving the "white race" from reverse racism. That was the whole thing in a nutshell - Hitler said he was saving Germany from the anti-Aryan racism of Jews and their liberal henchmen.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 01 Jun 2014, 21:26:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('noobtube', 'E')uropeans weren't invited to Africa, yet terrorize Africans to this very day.
Europeans weren't invited to the Western Hemisphere and proceeded to murder every culture, tribe, and civilization they encountered.


Well, nobody was "invited" anywhere.

Our species evolved in Africa and spread out through the Sinai bottleneck to branch out all over the world.

The neanderthals had gotten to Europe first. Our species just moved right in and outcompeted them and drove them to extinction.

History is full of war for ten and twenty thousand years and more. War, war, war, nothing but constant war. With a little pax romana and pax americana thrown in. Peace isn't the norm, tribes fighting each other is.

Here's my question for you -- what makes you think that non-westerners, if they get the upper hand and advantage, will be kinder and so much more enlightened than Westerners?

And that is also the concern about "reverse racism." Does it get to a point where whites are the minority and are discriminated against. :?: It's such an explosive topic, people just don't talk about it, and nobody wants to "seem racist." Racism and bigotry are repugnant.

Our Constitution and ideals about equality and a level playing field are very important, it's there to protect minorities, whether the minority is black vs. white majority, or in the future, christian minority and muslim majority, or a minority white and the majority people of color, or minority religious and majority agnostic / atheist. It's all the same, it's about majorities not oppressing minorities. (or, like the top 1%, a powerful minority oppressing the vast majority)

I actually believe in the core principle, whereas many on the Left do not, and so they're okay to suppress the religious minority. That's wrong, and unamerican, doesn't matter what the minority is. And it's wrong too, when the religious push too far into government and infringe on the non-religious.

Is nobody getting this point? Preston dismisses it as the "comic book" feelgood version of America, but you know what, social studies and history really aren't even taught anymore. We live in a world where people don't know the difference between a Putin regime and a democracy. So that's why I go on about it, because it's getting forgotten and dismissed, but it's really very important.

Is this just too taboo to talk about? What happens when whites are the minority? Will there be discrimination?

It sounds ludicrous, I know, but I watched this thing about South Africa and really it's wrong. These Boers are getting ignored by their government. They are the persecuted minority, at this point. I'm not talking about rich white South Africans, but there's another group of them that are just working / middle class white people and they've gotten thrown right under the bus. Fired from their jobs and dirt poor and worse, just totally ignored by the government. (that's how the documentary made it seem, anyhow)

Do they not count, as a minority? Isn't the principle of protecting minorities supposed to be the SAME? It's the principle that's important, and that's why I'm talking about the Constitution and our founding ideals, about majorities not oppressing minorities.

So what happens when white folks are the minority.

And yes, I hate to even bring this up, it "sounds racist" but I don't know anymore. :| We've got to be able to talk about these things without being called racist.

I certainly agree with what Dr. King was talking about toward the end -- he was trying to unite working class whites and working class blacks, because that really is the root of the problem, it's always been about the 1%. (the sad irony is the working and middle classes have been utterly hollowed out, and the family destroyed, since King's time. For blacks and whites. And that's because of economics, the offshoring, and pro-rich policies).
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 01 Jun 2014, 21:42:01

I'll just add that there probably is some "reverse racism" going on, but I may be going a bit overboard on that in my last few posts -- it's just getting close to time to stop affirmative action with force of law, that's all.

In comparison,

the far larger problem by far is just the globalization and offshoring of jobs and wiping out of the working and middle classes from these pro rich / oligarch policies -- whatever their race -- so a Scott Walker does a lot more damage than affirmative action does.

And a Barrack Obama does a lot more damage too, with his Pacific Free Trade deal. (OTOH globalization and free trade deals prevent world wars -- christ, it sucks seeing both sides of everything. :lol: )

Anyhow, affirmative action is a concern, but it's minor compared to economic policy (i.e. what does it matter if a white person doesn't get a gov job over a quota, if a Scott Walker or Paul Ryan has made them crap jobs anyhow).
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 02 Jun 2014, 01:16:52

The boogeyman is still the ethnic Other, and the boss is still the rich white man. After more than a century of this crap, working class whites seem largely unable to figure this out. Trade unions forced different ethnic groups to unite.

Why can't working class whites figure this out? Well as I was saying in the Politics2016 thread about Fox News and its nightly rants about How-black-people-are-ruining-America ......
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby careinke » Mon 02 Jun 2014, 02:13:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('noobtube', 'T')he only thing that created the United States and holds it together is its hatred of all peoples, cultures, and socieities that are not considered European.

As cheap energy disappears, the concept of the United States will disappear.

Americans have been fighting a centuries long war against the Earth and its peoples. I think Peak Oil will be the foe that finally destroys Americans and the abomination they birthed, called the United States.

The world can't handle Americans anymore. They are no good for this planet.


I think someone has a big case of penis envy.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby careinke » Mon 02 Jun 2014, 02:20:03

Back to the original post. If I were on the jury, I don't believe I would have supported the outcome. The Mayors job is to run the city. As the Mayor, he should be allowed to chose anyone he wants for the Chief of Police position.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 02 Jun 2014, 07:50:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'B')ack to the original post. If I were on the jury, I don't believe I would have supported the outcome. The Mayors job is to run the city. As the Mayor, he should be allowed to chose anyone he wants for the Chief of Police position.


In a Libertarian system you would be correct, however we exist in a system with myriad layers of contracts between civil service unions and the management of the municipalities. The Union created standards for who gets to be boss over the Union employees, not the Management. Unions are pretty even handed when it comes to seniority and test scores, the guy passed over by the Mayor had more seniority and higher test scores, hence the Union rules indicate he should be the boss over the Police Department.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby Pops » Mon 02 Jun 2014, 08:40:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 't')he far larger problem by far is just the globalization and offshoring of jobs and wiping out of the working and middle classes from these pro rich / oligarch policies -- whatever their race -- so a Scott Walker does a lot more damage than affirmative action does.

I think that it is all of a piece Six, all about making equality into law and the ever present battle against tyranny. If we can't swing society toward greater equality, here at the peak, our kids are screwed. That's why Piketty is important and why his book resonated here where The End Of Growth As We Know It is an almost daily topic. That's why I was arguing (hoping) in the 2016 thread that the social divisions will fall in importance compared to economic, in fact most of the threads I've started lately have been about plutocracy: Piketty, return to feudalism, food strike, even making v serving.

Unfortunately, this study claims the poor get more fiscally conservative as inequality grows, just the opposite of what you would expect. What that implies to me is we also become more socially "conservative" as well and that is definitely born out by US politics since wealth inequality returned 30 or whatever years ago. That "conservatism" includes the idea of poor oppressed white people.

The OP isn't about the triumph of fairness and color blindness, that's a big LOL, no need to look further than the messages in this thread or any of the comments on the web for proof
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby noobtube » Mon 02 Jun 2014, 11:14:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('noobtube', 'T')he only thing that created the United States and holds it together is its hatred of all peoples, cultures, and socieities that are not considered European.

As cheap energy disappears, the concept of the United States will disappear.

Americans have been fighting a centuries long war against the Earth and its peoples. I think Peak Oil will be the foe that finally destroys Americans and the abomination they birthed, called the United States.

The world can't handle Americans anymore. They are no good for this planet.


I think someone has a big case of penis envy.


It is this kind of response that shows the degeneracy and depravity, the arrogance and pretentiousness of the typical American.

Why would the American way be of any concern to a Nigerian, or a Venezuelan, or a Vietnamese?

What, you think Americans have it all figured out and the rest of the world is just inferior? Americans, out of all the possibilities in the universe, have determined the one, and only, and true way that every person on Earth should live, under all circumstances, for all time.

Americans are vicious, self-important, arrogant, condescending scum. Everywhere they go they spread misery, death, and destruction.

And, even while the United States is in clear decline, with this entire website basically chronicling its inevitable collapse, the typical dumb American still just doesn't get it... the American way was stupid from the very start, the very second the Europeans landed in the Western Hemisphere.

The American is and always has been a degenerate.

When this country falls apart, no one will want Americans coming to their lands... not even the Europeans.

Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 02 Jun 2014, 19:49:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '\')
I actually believe in the core principle, whereas many on the Left do not, and so they're okay to suppress the religious minority. That's wrong, and unamerican, doesn't matter what the minority is.


Funny this is exactly what antisemites of the 1930s used to say about the Jews. The quote below is from the antisemitic newsletters of Henry Ford that were compiled by the Nazi Party and published as "The International Jew." Note that this could have been lifted word for word from Fox or any conservative website, except they would substitute the word "liberal" for "Jew." Otherwise there is no difference. It's quite eerie actually:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')EWS OBJECT TO "AMERICANISM."
The fact is that while there is no "religious persecution" of the Jews, there is very much real religious persecution by the Jews. That is one of the outstanding characteristics of organized Jewish life in the United States, its active, unceasing, powerful and virulent attacks upon any and all forms of Christianity which may chance to come to public notice.
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No President of the United States has yet dared to take his inaugural oath on the open pages of the New Testament - the Jews would denounce him. Various governors of American states, having used the word "Christian" in their Thanksgiving proclamations, have been obliged to teach Americanism in our cities because it held that Christianity and good citizenship were synonymous!

No public man in America has ever given public evidence of his Christian faith without rebuke from the Jews. Not only do the Jews disagree with Christian teaching - which is their right and no one questions it - but they excise it on demand of the Jews. Everything that would remind the child in school that he is living in the midst of a Christian civilization, in a nation declared by its Supreme Court to be founded on the Christian principles, has been ordered out of the public schools on Jewish demand. In a nation and at a time when a minority of Jews can print every year a record of the apologies they have extorted from public officials for "having inadvertently used the term 'Christian'," it is desirable that this charge of "religious persecution" should be placed where it belongs.
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Re: Reverse Racism Lawsuit

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Mon 02 Jun 2014, 20:42:16

Ford also produced a line of anti-Semitic automobiles:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/feb-19-1915,10638/
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