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Retail Sales Down Steeply in June...

Unread postby Prince » Fri 13 Jul 2007, 11:14:28

Euro at an all-time vs the USD...

Oil pushing towards an all-time high...

Subprime lenders in deep hurt...

All of this came this week.

And yet, yesterday, the stock market hits record highs yesterday "on retail sales"

It doesn't make sense. What's going on?
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Re: Retail Sales Down Steeply in June...

Unread postby Lore » Fri 13 Jul 2007, 11:43:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'E')uro at an all-time vs the USD...

Oil pushing towards an all-time high...

Subprime lenders in deep hurt...

All of this came this week.

And yet, yesterday, the stock market hits record highs yesterday "on retail sales"

It doesn't make sense. What's going on?


There is a huge amount of liquidity sloshing around the world. A lot of growth is seen now as global and not US centric.
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Re: Retail Sales Down Steeply in June...

Unread postby Pops » Fri 13 Jul 2007, 16:13:42

I suppose there is no chance of layoffs at the US Mint printing plant.

Funny, I also heard revolving credit spending was up big last month; wonder what they are spending their kid’s inheritance on?
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Re: Retail Sales Down Steeply in June...

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 13 Jul 2007, 16:16:39

They're borrowing to maintain the lifestyle to which they're accustomed.
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Re: Retail Sales Down Steeply in June...

Unread postby Pops » Fri 13 Jul 2007, 16:21:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')hey're borrowing to maintain the lifestyle to which they're accustomed.

So I know who gets the shaft, but who gets the gold mine?
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Re: Retail Sales Down Steeply in June...

Unread postby savethehumans » Sun 15 Jul 2007, 01:13:38

I wish I could post links here, but they keep telling me that I haven't listed a URL, and I have no idea what they are talking about. (I'm that much of a computer tyro.)

Here's a portion of an article that ran in Friday's Kansas City Star about the June drop in consumer spending:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onsumers sent retail sales plunging in June by the sharpest amount in nearly two years.

Sales of autos, furniture and building supplies all fell, highlighting the economy’s weak spots.

The 0.9 percent drop in retail sales was the biggest decline since August 2005, the Commerce Department reported Friday.

It was a far bigger setback than the flat reading that had been forecast.

Part of the weakness was seen as payback for a surprise on the upside in May, when sales surged 1.5 percent. But the June decline was also viewed as an indication that consumers are cutting back under a barrage of higher prices and a recession in the housing industry.

Auto sales dropped 2.9 percent in June. Sales at furniture stores were down 3 percent, their biggest setback since February 2003. And sales at hardware stores fell 2.3 percent.

Sales at specialty clothing stores fell 1.4 percent while department stores saw sales fall 1 percent. A broader category that includes traditional department stores and big chains such as Wal-Mart posted an increase of 0.3 percent in June.

“Consumers are increasingly cautious in the face of higher gasoline and food prices and slowing home price gains,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com.

I suspect the WalMart increase has to do with more folks going there because the prices are cheaper. . .for now. I empathize. The other day, I was there getting a new mouse for my computer. I ended up buying several other things, cuz they were so much cheaper than anywhere else I'd looked. Like the fryer chicken that cost between $1-$2 LESS than my warehouse grocery store sold 'em for!

Until TSHTF with China imports and/or U.S. trucking transports, I suspect WalMart will cope better than most stores with this growing trend--simply because Americans both need and "need" certain things that they can sell MUCH cheaper. So WalMart will be where they go to shop--until ITS bubble bursts!
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Re: Retail Sales Down Steeply in June...

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 15 Jul 2007, 01:24:39

I'm trying to think if I've bought shit in June and coming up pretty dry.

for one thing, most of my buying for resale was taxed and thus would be counted as retail. I'm not doing that any more, so from $500 or more a month, generally far more, we're down to zero there.

I've not been buying household stuff, I think I spent maybe as much as $20 on some shirts and a pair of shorts at the thrift stores.

I've just been cutting back all around, and I think most people have.

I'd certainly say compared to May my buying was down steeply, in May I thought I'd maybe not end up near-homeless, now I know I will hehe :-D
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