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Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 23:38:40

Get a load of this crap. Land of the free, home of the brave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LciBRRkG_y8
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby yeahbut » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 02:48:28

"I watch because I care" 8O Orwell couldn't have written it better...

That is some creepy sh*t, is it for real?
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Novus » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 04:55:22

Talk about drones those are some blank zombie stares. Mind control and propaganda at its' worst.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Cloud9 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 06:39:10

I feel so much safer now. Wonder how much that costs? 8O
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 10:08:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I') feel so much safer now. Wonder how much that costs? 8O


Probably not much. It seems to be to be the standard Tip-line paradigm updated with extremely creepy advertisements.

Program announcement

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he iWATCH program is designed to be easily adopted by law enforcement agencies nationwide. The marketing materials, which include the iWATCH brand, a community training video, Public Service Announcements (PSAs), brochures and posters, can be modified to reflect any particular city or community, and create an iconic image that can become the umbrella program for the nation.


Maybe there is some new back-end data base or something but it doesn't state that.

I hate nationalized stuff like this. Local tip lines are OK I think. Our cops are very good and patient at explaining to the nervous nellies that call why their "tip" is not report-worthy. One lady at a community meeting was telling me that she reported a "middle-eastern" man making a lot of calls on a pay-phone (there actually is one old-style pay phone nearby) in a foreign language and talking for nearly an hour. The cops asked her if she heard him plotting any illegal activity etc (she said no) and then said well maybe he just had a lot of calls to make.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby dukey » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 12:12:17

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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 12:15:53

To be fair, the Patriot Act was started by Bush and his neo-cons using 9-11 and the anthrax attacks as the excuse. Obama did promise to "Change!" and not spy on the American people, but he has only strengthened the domestic surveillance and spy infrastructure.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 12:31:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I') feel so much safer now. Wonder how much that costs? 8O


Probably not much. It seems to be to be the standard Tip-line paradigm updated with extremely creepy advertisements.

Program announcement

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he iWATCH program is designed to be easily adopted by law enforcement agencies nationwide. The marketing materials, which include the iWATCH brand, a community training video, Public Service Announcements (PSAs), brochures and posters, can be modified to reflect any particular city or community, and create an iconic image that can become the umbrella program for the nation.


Maybe there is some new back-end data base or something but it doesn't state that.

I hate nationalized stuff like this. Local tip lines are OK I think. Our cops are very good and patient at explaining to the nervous nellies that call why their "tip" is not report-worthy. One lady at a community meeting was telling me that she reported a "middle-eastern" man making a lot of calls on a pay-phone (there actually is one old-style pay phone nearby) in a foreign language and talking for nearly an hour. The cops asked her if she heard him plotting any illegal activity etc (she said no) and then said well maybe he just had a lot of calls to make.


Anyone here watch "Babylon 5" series on DVD or when it was on TV?

This reminds me of the Nightwatch in that show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightwatch_(Babylon_5)
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 13:25:40

Do people here not believe in the neighborhood watch? I'm just wondering where you draw the line. I don't support racial profiling, and certainly something like this can and will be abused, but if someone is setting a dufflebag down in a bus depot, looking nervously left and right, and then walking off, doesn't that set off some red flags? I mean, should we just assume nothing is going on to the point of recklessness?
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 13:30:14

Now if these guys had been investigated maybe history would be different. But no. Innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 13:45:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'D')o people here not believe in the neighborhood watch? I'm just wondering where you draw the line. I don't support racial profiling, and certainly something like this can and will be abused, but if someone is setting a dufflebag down in a bus depot, looking nervously left and right, and then walking off, doesn't that set off some red flags? I mean, should we just assume nothing is going on to the point of recklessness?


I went to East Berlin in 1984 with my family when I was 13 years old. We actually had to steel ourselves to the thought of entering and passing through a totalitarian state. The supposed lesson for us was that the USA was "good" because we had our relative freedom and we were going to see the "bad" DDR and their police state. It actually was shocking to see how different our societies were. There was a DDR policeman standing on every single corner on every street. We had to stand in lines to show passports and travel papers everywhere. Now-a-days I cannot tell the difference between what I saw in East Berlin in 1984 and any large American city, except that American police on every corner look more like storm troopers from Star Wars now.

Of course I believe in a neighborhood watch. But the government is implementing a control and surveillance grid that is no different than Orwell's 1984 and oversteps the boundaries set in the Constitution. That is where I draw the line.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 13:57:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')Of course I believe in a neighborhood watch.


Then explain to me how a neighborhood watch program can avoid giving off an orwellian vibe. You aren't describing where the line is. You are just saying the whole thing gives you heebie jeebies. Be specific.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 14:21:23

BTW, here is something that happened close to me. I'm sure he's innocent, right?
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 14:32:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')Of course I believe in a neighborhood watch.


Then explain to me how a neighborhood watch program can avoid giving off an orwellian vibe. You aren't describing where the line is. You are just saying the whole thing gives you heebie jeebies. Be specific.


Acceptable:
I network with seven neighbors that I know on my block. We keep each other alert to anything going on. One of them is a first responder for the city of Austin and keeps us abreast of anything that is happening.

This is what I find to be unacceptable under the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights:

1. The Patriot Act I+II where it is now a crime to disclose that you were the subject of an FBI search using a National Security Letter. Basically we have secret searches by the secret police now in the USA.

2. A secret terror watch list that has at least 1.1 million names on it. It is virtually impossible to get your name off the list and no way to learn how your name was put on it.

3. Sneak and peek warrants were just validated by a federal judge last week and are being used for common crimes, even though we were assured they would only be used on terrorists.

4. The federal government can eavesdrop on domestic electronic communication without a warrant. Obama, who promised to end the program, is expanding it.

5. Obama has said that he needs to be able to indefinitely detain people without trial.

6. The federal government co-opting church pastors (paying them money) to tell their congregations to go along with whatever the government wants the people to do.

7. The Department of Defense perpetrating psyops on the American public, placing its own analysts on all news discussion programs

8. The license-plate reading cameras that are placed at almost every traffic intersection now.

9. The Army War College saying that the Army should redirect its focus to combat the American people as domestic enemies

10. The Missouri arm of the Department of Homeland Security recommends that people who talk about the Constitution, display the Gadsden Flag, talk about the Federal Reserve, Libertarian party candidates or gold should be treated as terrorists.

11. HR 875, the Food Safety Modernization Act that would turn a backyard gardener who gives a tomato to someone who doesn't live at the house, like a neighbor, into a "food production facility" that would be subject to inspection from federal agents. Regulation violations at a "food production facility" would incur a $100,000 fine per day and 3 years imprisonment.

12. The Police using military weapons on US citizens.

13. The kidnapping of American citizens by hired contractors right off the street, throwing the citizen into a car and driving off.

14. "Free speech zones". To quote the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

15. US police arming themselves with military vehicles to use domestically through grants from the Dept of Homeland Security.

16. The Federal government complicit with corporations in illegally spying on the American people, and the US legislature passing laws retroactively giving the corporations immunity for their crimes.

17. "Millimeter wave cameras" that take bioscan thumbprints of your body at airports. This is a total invasion of privacy as these take nude photos of your body.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 14:38:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'B')TW, here is something that happened close to me. I'm sure he's innocent, right?


I don't understand the sarcasm. A jury of his peers will decide his fate.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 14:42:24

This is just another try to govern you guys more efficiently and /or cheaper. We cant afford to watch over all of you guys so.. why don't you do that. We can't afford to audit everyone every year so... not paying us what we say is as bad as stealing. We can't afford to pay soldiers a proper remuneration for the risk so... have a shot of patriotism and wave some flag in your off-duty time instead.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 14:55:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'B')TW, here is something that happened close to me. I'm sure he's innocent, right?



Happened? What happened exactly, mind me asking?
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 15:02:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'B')TW, here is something that happened close to me. I'm sure he's innocent, right?



Happened? What happened exactly, mind me asking?


Plus, I don't see where the nexus is with iWatch, or an iWatch-like program (one where people are asked to report on suspicious activity). Did someone turn the guy in ? I didn't see that in the article.

Now, this guy on the other hand, did experience an "iWatch" and he is from your way also, Mos
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Nefarious » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 15:08:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'B')TW, here is something that happened close to me. I'm sure he's innocent, right?



Happened? What happened exactly, mind me asking?


As far as I can tell from the article.He was charged for lying to the FBI on the whereabouts of another guy and according to his lawyer only charged him after he said he wouldn't spy for the FBI.
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Re: Report Your Neighbor

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 15:14:29

In East Germany, the entire society spied on one another. The secret police and communist party would use that information to blackmail people that they or family members would lose their jobs if they did not comply with the party's wishes.

There is an excellent movie about this problem in East German society that won the Academy Award for best foreign film in 2006. It's called "The LIves of Others" and it's German-made, of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others
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