$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'L')udi and PMS asked me to revive this thread (not in so many words but they did). I thought I'd take a stab at defining sustainability.
The short answer is this. Sustainability is a way of living that can go on indefinitely. On a global/civilizational level, it means that we are not depleting resources or overwhelming sinks that future people will need. On a personal level, it means that if everyone lived as you did, the criteria for global/civilizational sustainability would be met.
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Reaching for Sustainability; Avoiding Collapse
Re: Reaching for Sustainability; Avoiding Collapse
by drummer » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 00:00:29
Sustainability is a myth that has never been achieved by any society.
We all need to grow up and recognise the fact that all societies
exploit their environment in one way or another and usually to the
point of collapse or severe damage. Given the energy capabilities
we have, most traditional societies would have doen the same.
Would native americans with guns and jeeps preserved the
buffalo? I doubt it- especially if it supported greater populations
to fight for more territory.
The idea that the societies/cultures/countries/economies of
earth will EVER collaborate on anything on the scale required for
environmental sustainability is just so far fetched only the
delusional would believe it.
When murder, betrayal, power and wealth have been the hallmarks
of humanity, what makes you believe that this will be reversed
or could be?
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Re: Reaching for Sustainability; Avoiding Collapse
by johnmarkos » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 00:15:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drummer', 'S')ustainability is a myth that has never been achieved by any society. We all need to grow up and recognise the fact that all societies exploit their environment in one way or another and usually to the point of collapse or severe damage. Given the energy capabilities we have, most traditional societies would have doen the same.
You may be right about that but for the purposes of this thread, I don't care. Your post is off-topic. In the opening post,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'I')n this thread, I would like to avoid another discussion of our chances of success or failure. Instead, I would like to discuss humane actions we can take, on a governmental and corporate level, on a regional level, on a community level, and on a personal level to work towards sustainability. Meadows, Randers, and Meadows have given us the broad overview of a desireable future (their rosy scenario 9). What are the details?
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Re: Reaching for Sustainability; Avoiding Collapse
by drummer » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 00:57:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drummer', 'S')ustainability is a myth that has never been achieved by any society. We all need to grow up and recognise the fact that all societies exploit their environment in one way or another and usually to the point of collapse or severe damage. Given the energy capabilities we have, most traditional societies would have doen the same.
You may be right about that but for the purposes of this thread, I don't care. Your post is off-topic. In the opening post,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'I')n this thread, I would like to avoid another discussion of our chances of success or failure. Instead, I would like to discuss humane actions we can take, on a governmental and corporate level, on a regional level, on a community level, and on a personal level to work towards sustainability. Meadows, Randers, and Meadows have given us the broad overview of a desireable future (their rosy scenario 9). What are the details?
Fair enough. You've determined the exercise is a worthwhile one.
Some people collect bottletops. There is no rhyme nor reason.
enjoy.
