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RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby mattduke » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 22:00:08

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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby leaflight » Thu 10 Dec 2009, 22:52:25

A stability force for the United States and other empires was the middle class, likend unto a military of its own kind, and force and fortress , yet for when the poor get enertia emotional in this era of age shifts?

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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby Homesteader » Fri 11 Dec 2009, 01:30:15

If you read the summary the SPF is for deployment in countries with populations under 20 million.

Basically another way to spread "democracy" at gun point.
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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 11 Dec 2009, 03:04:03

Had a brief peak at that PDF, couple items of interest:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t would be even more difficult and resourceintensive
to mount stability operations in larger countries such as Iran,
Pakistan, the Philippines, Nigeria, and Venezuela. Efforts of this size
would require a national commitment beyond what is considered in
this report. However, the maximum-size SPF considered in this report
is based on assumptions about what is affordable. If a larger force was
deemed desirable, some elements of this analysis might change.


Um.. Venezuela, eh? Now why on earth would the US need a Stability Police Force to keep order in Venezuela???

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he MP Corps has the opposite problem: it has the capacity to
take on the task, and arguably it has the skills due to its efforts in Iraq
and Afghanistan. However, its ability to maintain these skills during
periods when it is not engaged in large-scale stability operations is constrained
by the limits placed on its ability to perform civilian policing
functions by the Posse Comitatus Act. Without relief from this constraint,
it could not take advantage of the opportunities provided by
the hybrid staffing option
to develop and maintain the needed skills.


Hm. So what is this then, an effort to circumvent the Posse Comitatus Act? Interestingly, the desire to use the Stability Police in the US doesn't appear to be grounded in any necessity for it, but their main concern is just a way to keep their training up in between foreign deployments! They want to use the Stability Police in the US just so they stay sharp with their training.

Basically, what we're seeing here is the birth of a new branch of the armed forces -- potentially, an entirely new military in addition to our conventional forces. From the little bit I read, it appears they want to figure out a way to position this force legally so it can be a "hybrid" for use in the Homeland and abroad.
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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 11 Dec 2009, 11:32:36

Would an SPF of 6,000 and a cost of over $600 million be enough to maintain order in a country of over 300,00,000?
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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 11 Dec 2009, 20:46:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'W')ould an SPF of 6,000 and a cost of over $600 million be enough to maintain order in a country of over 300,00,000?


That's the initial goal, as they recognize it's "all they can afford right now."
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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 16 Dec 2009, 11:06:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'W')ould an SPF of 6,000 and a cost of over $600 million be enough to maintain order in a country of over 300,00,000?


That's the initial goal, as they recognize it's "all they can afford right now."

Considering the finances of peak oil, and the Federal debt, its all they'd probably ever afford.
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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 16 Dec 2009, 12:23:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'C')onsidering the finances of peak oil, and the Federal debt, its all they'd probably ever afford.


Or maybe not.. look at all the contractors we can afford:
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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby oswald622 » Thu 17 Dec 2009, 01:50:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Hm. So what is this then, an effort to circumvent the Posse Comitatus Act? Interestingly, the desire to use the Stability Police in the US doesn't appear to be grounded in any necessity for it, but their main concern is just a way to keep their training up in between foreign deployments! They want to use the Stability Police in the US just so they stay sharp with their training.

Basically, what we're seeing here is the birth of a new branch of the armed forces -- potentially, an entirely new military in addition to our conventional forces. From the little bit I read, it appears they want to figure out a way to position this force legally so it can be a "hybrid" for use in the Homeland and abroad.


That's what it sounds like - the beginning of an international police force, equally at home in any nation and not subject to domestic laws. They could recruit from mercenary groups, police, military...
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Re: RAND: A Stability Force For The United State

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 17 Dec 2009, 09:21:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oswald622', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Hm. So what is this then, an effort to circumvent the Posse Comitatus Act? Interestingly, the desire to use the Stability Police in the US doesn't appear to be grounded in any necessity for it, but their main concern is just a way to keep their training up in between foreign deployments! They want to use the Stability Police in the US just so they stay sharp with their training.

Basically, what we're seeing here is the birth of a new branch of the armed forces -- potentially, an entirely new military in addition to our conventional forces. From the little bit I read, it appears they want to figure out a way to position this force legally so it can be a "hybrid" for use in the Homeland and abroad.


That's what it sounds like - the beginning of an international police force, equally at home in any nation and not subject to domestic laws. They could recruit from mercenary groups, police, military...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America:_World_Police
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