[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'O')k,

As a card carring southern baptist I have to jump in on this. First Dukat I have to say that after reading most of your posts the last few months, I respect your views and acknowledge your posts are very intelligent. That being said lets not flame each other.

Second, if you view my posts you will find half the time I goof around but I will never straight out or imply everyone who does not agree with me is hellbound.

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Finally, I believe Christianty should not be pushed like fire insurance and quote you frigthening statistics(bible quotes) to scare you into accepting christ like a inept cheesey car salesman. If you become a Christian just to avoid going to hell alone you have started on the wrong foot. I personally became fully aware of peak oil 4 years ago as it was explained to me by my Dad who is a offshore project enginner currently working at the Shell/BP compound in Nigeria. My eyes are wide open to all possibilities and I am not a cornucopian. Yet the majority of my posts are upbeat. Ever wonder why?

I see a lot of atheists and agnostics on these posts and from my observation(not a absolute correlation or scientific one) not all but most of them seem miserable. I try to pick up their spirits without cramming god down their throat. It's been my experience to show the path of Jesus all you have to do is be a positive person and I find folks will come up and ask me the why and how.

[PrairieMule]

Question 1 Yes
Question 2 There is a need

Typically when one becomes a christian they have reached a point in their life where they realize they are not the center of the universe and there must be a higher reason why they are here. Thus people turn away from their "usual antics" and become a completly different person. You are correct about the "low requirements", the rub comes afterwards when you attempt to change you ways and walk the walk. I would describe it more like "Quaker Oats" than "krispy kreme" because the word of god has more raw roughage than glazed processed sugar. The results are difficult and breakthroughs can be occasionally incovienient but they have an amazing cleansing effect .

For the record I do not care if my city dogcatcher is a non believer as Baptists do not share god's plan of salvation to our pets.

[Lokutus]

I am sincerely saddened to hear that there is no need for good works in the born again universe.

Not to troll or bait, but in the business community it's a well-known fact that if you hear the words "I'm a Christian businessman" or "I conduct business according to Christian principles", you are in the presence of a bona fide conman and it's time to skidaddle out of there.

Most non-born agains find born agains hypocrites, cheats, and liars. Sorry to have to say it, but it's true.

There are many very nice reasonable people of faith, with whom it's easy to get along. But the born agins are something else.

[Lokutus]

The real Jesus believed in good works and commanded his followers to live lives based on them.


http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Je ... 1dec05.htm


Yet, the modern American ( born again) mutation of Christianity discounts its importance. No wonder we live in a sea of self-obsessesed selfish assholes.

[PrairieMule]

Go back and read the post again, I said there is a need.

[Lokutus]

I asked "Is it true that Born Agains believe that it all takes to be saved is to declare onself "born again"? "

You replied: Yes



So, if good works are required why do I keep hearing and reading that they aren't for anyone who's taken 5 minutes out of their busy schedule to become born again?

[Lokutus]

My bad, I misread your answer.

But my question still stands about why some feel that there is no need to perform good works after becomming born again.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'M')y bad, I misread your answer.

But my question still stands about why some feel that there is no need to perform good works after becomming born again.

[Lokutus]

Well, I'm a bit surprised by your answer but happy to hear it. There is no point to a life without a few good works sprinkled here and there.