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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby Fiddlerdave » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 05:15:54

For true effectiveness, you should probably stick to rational direct connection to male motivational center. I'd suggest the anti-lysistrata approach.

Simply tell him you have discovered that the idea of actually living in a sustainable and sulf-sufficient manner turns you into a nymphomaniac who has to try every sexual position ever known to humankind. Daily.

If that is already your lifestyle, the extra exercise from both self-sufficiency and low-carbon footprint will help make it all work better.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 08:11:47

dump the hubby, get a new one who's po aware. i'm sure this site will provide a very large selection of lonely bastards that would kill for the touch of another human being :lol:
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 08:59:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')m trying to convince my husband


This is your biggest problem. The rest of the stuff can be managed.

Dealing with a hard headed spouse will just frustrate you. The harder you try to convince him, the more resistance you will get. I agree completely with the poster above, just let it trickle out. Watch the evening news together, and make an occasional comment, or give an occasional statistic. Eventually, the light will come on in his cave brain and he will be in a big panic to hit the road, and by then, you will already have a plan in place.

You, a psych major, ought to know this personality trait. For your elective fill in classes, if you have any, take marketing. You will find a knowledge of psychology, along with marketing, could be really useful if the system stays together.

That does not help you for the current decision, which is, where to rent? Tell that doofus that he is spending too much time and money on his commute, and you need him in good shape so he can perform his marital duty, so you want to live close to where he works for six months. This will also appeal to his cave brain. Don't worry about the rest of this stuff for now. I think the system will hold together for that long.

Meanwhile, get yourself a couple of garage sale bikes, and learn how to work on them. Get some puncture-proof tires so you do not have to deal with the cockleburs out there. Get you and the kid in shape to ride if you need to. When the time comes, ride east. I bet Shannymara will let you camp out at her place in Oklahoma if you agree to feed her goats.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby charliebrownout » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 20:42:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')m trying to convince my husband


This is your biggest problem. The rest of the stuff can be managed.

Dealing with a hard headed spouse will just frustrate you. The harder you try to convince him, the more resistance you will get. I agree completely with the poster above, just let it trickle out. Watch the evening news together, and make an occasional comment, or give an occasional statistic. Eventually, the light will come on in his cave brain and he will be in a big panic to hit the road, and by then, you will already have a plan in place.

You, a psych major, ought to know this personality trait. For your elective fill in classes, if you have any, take marketing. You will find a knowledge of psychology, along with marketing, could be really useful if the system stays together.

That does not help you for the current decision, which is, where to rent? Tell that doofus that he is spending too much time and money on his commute, and you need him in good shape so he can perform his marital duty, so you want to live close to where he works for six months. This will also appeal to his cave brain. Don't worry about the rest of this stuff for now. I think the system will hold together for that long.

Meanwhile, get yourself a couple of garage sale bikes, and learn how to work on them. Get some puncture-proof tires so you do not have to deal with the cockleburs out there. Get you and the kid in shape to ride if you need to. When the time comes, ride east. I bet Shannymara will let you camp out at her place in Oklahoma if you agree to feed her goats.


I'm more or less done with my schooling (trying to get it finished). I took social and industrial psych, though. That said, even knowing what it means to be persuasive, it is something of an art. It also takes the right information to tip a person into active change.

I have been mentioning things as an "oh, would you look at this" and "did you notice..." and little things about our life that would be simpler if we adopted a more conservative lifestyle (ie moving closer, less house, paying down debt).

Last night I did a little of the obvious reading him some excerpts from the book by Dr. Stephen Leeb prefaced with a "what do you think about that? Interesting...isn't it?"

No, screaming "omigod we're gonna die!" just a "hmmm, whatdayathink?"

Of course, he says, "Yeah, oil is always going to go up." Shrugs, says everyone knows that and says it is no big deal because he's making enough now that he doesn't need to worry.

At which point I quietly excused myself to go scream into a pillow in another room.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 20:56:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', 'I')'m more or less done with my schooling (trying to get it finished). I took social and industrial psych, though. That said, even knowing what it means to be persuasive, it is something of an art. It also takes the right information to tip a person into active change.

I have been mentioning things as an "oh, would you look at this" and "did you notice..." and little things about our life that would be simpler if we adopted a more conservative lifestyle (ie moving closer, less house, paying down debt).

Last night I did a little of the obvious reading him some excerpts from the book by Dr. Stephen Leeb prefaced with a "what do you think about that? Interesting...isn't it?"

No, screaming "omigod we're gonna die!" just a "hmmm, whatdayathink?"

Of course, he says, "Yeah, oil is always going to go up." Shrugs, says everyone knows that and says it is no big deal because he's making enough now that he doesn't need to worry.

At which point I quietly excused myself to go scream into a pillow in another room.


You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby charliebrownout » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 21:04:16

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You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes.


I love my husband, but he's not a reader. He's a techie, IT, video game type.

If EA made a game or G4 ran a special maybe I wouldn't be so far up shite creek without a paddle.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 21:52:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e's a techie, IT, video game type.


You poor thing.

Most of these guys are really good at looking at the little picture, in other words, can see the problem in a section of code.

But at the moment, for most of us, this stuff is at a big picture level. For the Zambians, and Kenyans, it is a more immediate problem.

Be patient, and keep doing what you are doing. Maybe some event will happen that will get him thinking. .
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 23:32:01

She could get a boat oar and write PEAK OIL on the broad end and hit him upside the head with it.

That would be a great "how I found out about peak oil" story.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 01:11:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', ' ')I love my husband, but he's not a reader. He's a techie, IT, video game type.

If EA made a game or G4 ran a special maybe I wouldn't be so far up shite creek without a paddle.


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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby charliebrownout » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 16:43:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', ' ')I love my husband, but he's not a reader. He's a techie, IT, video game type.

If EA made a game or G4 ran a special maybe I wouldn't be so far up shite creek without a paddle.


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THANKS!!! Big hug to you for passing this on. I showed my husband and I think it made a dent. I actually managed to talk to him in more complete terms about the economy, energy, etc.

Of course, his ultimate response was that there would be some magic bullet by some maverick, captain of industry type who is, as yet, hiding somewhere devising this wonder cure.

Also, he's sure we could run for YEARS on America's strategic reserves so the rest of the world really isn't a problem.

It's kind of like the "I'm not going to go on chemo because they'll have a better cure before I die of this cancer" solution.

He really thinks there is some covert group ready to fix everything--they just aren't talking publicly yet.

But, I'm good with small steps. At least he's talking.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby charliebrownout » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 16:45:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'S')he could get a boat oar and write PEAK OIL on the broad end and hit him upside the head with it.

That would be a great "how I found out about peak oil" story.


Oh goody, now I have a reliable plan B :twisted:

Seriously, the thought has crossed my mind. BTW, love Army of Darkness. Shop smart...shop S mart :) Classic.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 19:03:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'S')he could get a boat oar and write PEAK OIL on the broad end and hit him upside the head with it.

That would be a great "how I found out about peak oil" story.


Oh goody, now I have a reliable plan B :twisted:

Seriously, the thought has crossed my mind. BTW, love Army of Darkness. Shop smart...shop S mart :) Classic.


Better than Evil Dead II?
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby charliebrownout » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 19:20:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'S')he could get a boat oar and write PEAK OIL on the broad end and hit him upside the head with it.

That would be a great "how I found out about peak oil" story.


Oh goody, now I have a reliable plan B :twisted:

Seriously, the thought has crossed my mind. BTW, love Army of Darkness. Shop smart...shop S mart :) Classic.


Better than Evil Dead II?


Nah, all of them are great. Bruce Campbell is a riot.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 06:04:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes.


That is, if he makes it through the whole thing. I bought it on your recommendation and let me tell you, it's more entertaining watching paint dry than reading that academic essay, especially when you already know most of its datapoints.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby BigTex » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 12:05:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes.


That is, if he makes it through the whole thing. I bought it on your recommendation and let me tell you, it's more entertaining watching paint dry than reading that academic essay, especially when you already know most of its datapoints.


I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry you didn't get much out of it, and I'm sorry that you are probably less likely to read other books I may recommend.

I thought it provided a great sense of the big picture of what's wrong with industrial civilization, but apparently not everyone gets that from reading it.

I hope that $24.00 wasn't grocery money.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 13:32:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
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You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes.


I love my husband, but he's not a reader. He's a techie, IT, video game type.

If EA made a game or G4 ran a special maybe I wouldn't be so far up shite creek without a paddle.


Have him watch The History Channel's DVD of The Incredible Journey of Oil followed by What a Way to Go. That will be easier to digest than Overshoot, which is about as entertaining to read as having root canal surgery.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 13:49:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
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You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes.


I love my husband, but he's not a reader. He's a techie, IT, video game type.

If EA made a game or G4 ran a special maybe I wouldn't be so far up shite creek without a paddle.


Have him watch The History Channel's DVD of The Incredible Journey of Oil followed by What a Way to Go. That will be easier to digest than Overshoot, which is about as entertaining to read as having root canal surgery.


mos6507, I'm curious, were you already familiar with Catton's entire analysis? Is that part of what made it boring?

When I read it I had not seen the carrying capacity, phantom carrying capacity, overshoot and die-off arguments woven together that coherently. That's part of what I liked about it.

Did you learn anything from it, or was it all stuff you already knew?

Did you disagree with any of his analysis or conclusions?

I like that you're rolling out all of your descriptions of something that's dull or unpleasant. Here are a few:

"Saying Overshoot is fast-paced is like putting a calendar on your wrist and calling it a watch."

"Reading Overshoot is about as pleasant as having every hair on your body plucked one-by-one, except it's harder to stay awake."

"Overshoot is so slow-paced that it makes a glacier's movement look like a top fuel dragster race."

"Catton actually wrote Overshoot hoping it would be a catalyst for a die-off, since the book is so dull it makes you want to kill yourself."
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby charliebrownout » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 16:08:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
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You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes.


I love my husband, but he's not a reader. He's a techie, IT, video game type.

If EA made a game or G4 ran a special maybe I wouldn't be so far up shite creek without a paddle.


Have him watch The History Channel's DVD of The Incredible Journey of Oil followed by What a Way to Go. That will be easier to digest than Overshoot, which is about as entertaining to read as having root canal surgery.


mos6507, I'm curious, were you already familiar with Catton's entire analysis? Is that part of what made it boring?

When I read it I had not seen the carrying capacity, phantom carrying capacity, overshoot and die-off arguments woven together that coherently. That's part of what I liked about it.

Did you learn anything from it, or was it all stuff you already knew?

Did you disagree with any of his analysis or conclusions?

I like that you're rolling out all of your descriptions of something that's dull or unpleasant. Here are a few:

"Saying Overshoot is fast-paced is like putting a calendar on your wrist and calling it a watch."

"Reading Overshoot is about as pleasant as having every hair on your body plucked one-by-one, except it's harder to stay awake."

"Overshoot is so slow-paced that it makes a glacier's movement look like a top fuel dragster race."

"Catton actually wrote Overshoot hoping it would be a catalyst for a die-off, since the book is so dull it makes you want to kill yourself."


ROFLMAO, that's QUITE an endorsement of the material there. Did they put that in the front or back flap or was it heralded on the front of the book in the place normally reserved for "Best Seller" and other such acclaim?

:D

At any rate, you've convinced me. I'll look for other source material.

I did have a lovely discussion with the U of A professor who appeared on Horizon (local show) and wrote the OpEd for the AZRepub. He seems like a very down-to-earth and reasonable guy.

He offered up some good thoughts on documentaries and an article by a gentleman by the name of Krugman. What a Way to Go was one of them. I'm hoping to speak with him more in the future. I hope I didn't sound like too much of a wild-eyed nut or a completely brainless neophyte either.

If anyone is interested, check out his blog:

http://blog.ltc.arizona.edu/naturebatslast/
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 17:58:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', 'R')OFLMAO, that's QUITE an endorsement of the material there. Did they put that in the front or back flap or was it heralded on the front of the book in the place normally reserved for "Best Seller" and other such acclaim?

:D

At any rate, you've convinced me. I'll look for other source material.


No, no. Overshoot is required reading. Some people just don't like it.

mos is one of them.

But check out the Amazon reviews. One guy said it's the only book he would run into a burning building to retrieve.

I thought it was great.
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Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 18:16:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'O')vershoot is required reading.


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