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Presidential Signing Statements/Executive Orders

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Re: Presidential Signing Statements/Executive Orders

Unread postby BigTex » Thu 22 May 2008, 01:51:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkL', 'I') don't understand how any of these Executive Orders are constitutional. Does congress ratify them or what? Can they be challenged by the supreme court?
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Congress could undo any of them any time it wanted to. Congress could step on the President's neck any time it wanted to. I don't know why Congress never challenges things like this.

I don't know who would have standing to sue over the constitutionality of an executive order, other than someone who was directly affected by one. If we have these orders that are not being enforced or implemented, I don't know how one would bring a legal challenge.
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Re: Presidential Signing Statements/Executive Orders

Unread postby kpeavey » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 06:44:06

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Re: Presidential Signing Statements/Executive Orders

Unread postby TITAN » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 08:47:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkL', 'I') don't understand how any of these Executive Orders are constitutional. Does congress ratify them or what? Can they be challenged by the supreme court?

I think it's pretty safe to assume that everyone on capitol hill are in it together and it is truly 'us vs. them'.
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Re: Presidential Signing Statements/Executive Orders

Unread postby mersa » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:39:30

Jesse Ventura said not to start it without him. anyway he is funny.
Look, they all oured under the dynasty presidents bush/clinton/bush/clinton/bush

oh sorry clinton II didnt make it and they are ticked. so lets vote Obama, they dont like him
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Re: Presidential Signing Statements/Executive Orders

Unread postby mersa » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:45:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkL', 'M')ore on what to do:
First, just how likely is it that these Executive Orders will be implemented (based on your own risk assessment of the situation)? Will risks increase or decrease based on other events occurring(new president, attack on Iran, etc.)?

um, spending the last 8 presidencies and billions of dolars and high risk false flag to get them in ploace, why would they not use them?

inevitable, that is what they are there fore. I did notice HORSED are not covered and they can walk off the highways, so many a lama or a horse would be a good idea.
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Re: Presidential Signing Statements/Executive Orders

Unread postby allenwrench » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 14:41:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkL', 'E')xecutive Orders... ok, that works. Thanks!
Here's a list similar to what I was looking for:
Executive Order #10995: Seizure of all communications media in the United States.
Executive Order #10997: Seizure of all electric power fuels and minerals, public and private.
Executive Order #10999: Seizure of all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control of highways, seaports and waterways.
Executive Order #11000: Seizure of all American people for work forces under federal supervision including the splitting of families if the government finds it necessary.
Executive Order #11001: Seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, public and private.
Executive Order #11002: Empowered the postmaster general to register all men, women and children in the U.S.
Executive Order #11003: Seizure of all airports and aircraft.
Executive Order #11004: Seizure of all housing and finance authorities to establish Forced Relocation Designated areas to be abandoned as "unsafe."
Executive Order #11005: Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, public and private.
Executive Order #12919: Signs June 3, 1994, by President Clinton. Encompasses all the above executive orders.
I found this list: here.
Executive order 11000 looks especially troubling.
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It looks like I missed some: FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders
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Re: Presidential Signing Statements/Executive Orders

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 19 Sep 2008, 14:54:01

Weren't they all revoked by subsequent orders ? It seems like you can research it here. I'm too lazy.
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