by Plantagenet » Wed 16 Jun 2010, 19:19:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'D')oesn't that make evil Prince John and the Sheiff of Nottingham the leftist socialists ...
A socialist Plantagenet now that is bloody unlikely even for John Lackland.
Especialy for that coniving cur John Lackland.
Though Churchill famously quipped
"When the long tally is added, it will be seen that the British nation and the English-speaking world owe far more to the vices of John than to the labours of virtuous sovereigns"
(Edited: actualy WSC was a bit harsh on Henry II there.....)
You know how it is in families....the public personae that the world knows doesn't always match the reality that the family knows.
--I do like the Churchill quote.

by Shar_Lamagne » Wed 16 Jun 2010, 19:28:01
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'D')oesn't that make evil Prince John and the Sheiff of Nottingham the leftist socialists ...
Only leftists collect taxes? Hardly. You collect taxes or you are gone, right or left.
Besides, taxes are not the biggest take by a long shot. Taxes are just collected to run the machine that does the harvesting.
Like I said, right or left, you are, what do you call the slave that holds the whip over the other slaves? That.
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by Cid_Yama » Wed 16 Jun 2010, 21:53:44
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Lancaster inheritance, known as the Duchy of Lancaster, has remained in English and then British Royal ownership, with monarchs bearing the title Duke of Lancaster. In 2007, the Duchy was valued at £397 million pounds, and the profits are the primary source of the Monarch's income.
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by Cid_Yama » Wed 16 Jun 2010, 22:58:56
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he elder line of Capet became extinct with the death of Charles IV in 1328. The next eldest line, the house of Valois died out with Henry III in 1589. That left the house of Bourbon as the senior line of Capet. Juan Carlos is directly descended from the grandson of Louis XIV, who became Philip V, the first Bourbon King of Spain. The French descendants of Louis XIV of Bourbon ended with the Count of Chambord who died in 1883. The current claimants to the French throne are of the house of Bourbon-Orleans, descended from the younger brother of Louis XIV.
"King Juan Carlos is the heir male of Hugh Capet, who ascended the French throne in 987, a line of decent not easily equaled"
The Grimaldis of Monaco are the oldest unbroken royal family since Francois Grimaldi in 1297.
linkI think you started something here, Pretorian.
Why are we doing this again?
Oh, yeah, Shar said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')rue wealth, and thus true power, has very deep roots.
I would think that would be pretty obvious. My own family traces back to the 1500's with 4 of them on the Mayflower. If not for a rope trailing behind the Mayflower during a storm at sea, John Howland would have been lost and I would not exist. Nor any of the following notables.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ohn and Elizabeth Howland's direct descendants include notable figures such as U.S. presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush; U.S. first ladies Edith Roosevelt and Barbara Bush; poets Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow; Mormon prophet and founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Joseph Smith, Jr. and his wife Emma Hale; Mormon leader Brigham Young; Continental Congress president Nathaniel Gorham; former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin; former Florida governor Jeb Bush; and actors/actresses Humphrey Bogart, Maude Adams, Lillian Russell, Chevy Chase and Anthony Perkins. U.S. presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, and British prime minister Winston Churchill are descendants of John Howland's brothers Arthur (Nixon and Ford) and Henry (Churchill).
linkIf not for that rope trailing behind the Mayflower on that stormy night, the history of the United States would have been very different.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;In sundrie of these storms the winds were so feirce. & ye seas so high, as they could not heare a knote of saile, but were forced to hull, for diverce days togither. And in one of them, as they thus lay at hull, in a mighty storme, a lusty yonge man (called John Howland) coming upon some occasion above ye grattings, was, with a seele of ye shipe throwne into (ye) sea; but it pleased God yet he caught hold of ye top-saile halliards, which hung over board, & rane out at length; yet he held his hould (though he was sundrie fadomes under water) till he was hald up by ye same rope to ye brime of ye water, and then with a boat hooke & other means got into ye shipe againe. & his life saved; and though he was something ill with it, yet he lived many years after, and became a profitable member both in church and common wealthe."
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." - Patrick Henry
The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.