OilsNotWell:
Thanks for all your research.
I've been following the reports on the bird flu for the last year. This one worries me.
The WSN/33 strain is troubling also. I look forward to hearing what the WHO finally says on the issue.
Has the CDC weighed in?
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by OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 03:16:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ve been following the reports on the bird flu for the last year. This one worries me.
The WSN/33 strain is troubling also. I look forward to hearing what the WHO finally says on the issue.
Has the CDC weighed in?
The WSN/33 strain is troubling also. I look forward to hearing what the WHO finally says on the issue.
Has the CDC weighed in?
They'll have to.
I, too, am concerned. I've checked CDC's site, and nothing at all, and their stuff is well indexed, including research. About the only related to WSN/33 was the 'wow, that would be really bad but it must be a mistake' coverage in Science and Nature....but as I've detailed, that might not be the case. The Korean scientist who uploaded the data to the gene bank six months ago confirmed it's no uploading mistake, and he provided even more samples. It's there in the lungs of dead pigs in Korea and the question is how? Dr. Niman is starting to suggest a link to US pigs.
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by OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 03:24:02
Thousands infected in flu outbreak in southern Chinese city: report
Canadian Press
Sunday, May 08, 2005
HONG KONG (AP) - More than 10,000 people, mostly children, suffered from flu symptoms during an outbreak in southern China during the weeklong Labour Day holiday, a Hong Kong newspaper reported Sunday.
The victims had symptoms including runny noses, cough and fever, Ming Pao Daily News newspaper reported.
More than one-half of the 10,000 people who contracted the virus were children, the report said, adding a hospital in Shenzhen had to set up temporary beds to accommodate nearly 700 children admitted daily during last week's holiday.
FLU INFECTS THOUSANDS IN CHINA
Oh my god.
Canadian Press
Sunday, May 08, 2005
HONG KONG (AP) - More than 10,000 people, mostly children, suffered from flu symptoms during an outbreak in southern China during the weeklong Labour Day holiday, a Hong Kong newspaper reported Sunday.
The victims had symptoms including runny noses, cough and fever, Ming Pao Daily News newspaper reported.
More than one-half of the 10,000 people who contracted the virus were children, the report said, adding a hospital in Shenzhen had to set up temporary beds to accommodate nearly 700 children admitted daily during last week's holiday.
FLU INFECTS THOUSANDS IN CHINA
Oh my god.
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by OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 03:44:02
If you feel the need to prepare:
One should purchase surgical masks and close-fitting eye protective wear (like goggles) if one has none already, and surgical gloves for all family members.
Have 4-6 weeks of food and sanitary drinking water available at home, in case you decide to stay at home, or if there is a general quarantine order.
Be extremely sanitation-conscious, remembering flu is easily spread (air-borne or through surface contact), such as by the expellation of the virus from mucosal tissue, particularly from the nose and cough. Wash hands thoroughly after touching surfaces in public places, rubbing eyes after shaking hands, eating food prepared by someone else, etc.
Prepare to be isolated for a while, and consider quarantine practices, isolating a person who has had contact with others for about 5 days.
Elderly, the very young, those with compromised immune systems, etc, should not have person to person contact with outsiders, nor with those who have.
The flu can travel faster than people can get sick from it (incubation period can range from 1-5 days, and given the prevalence of modern travel), but it will travel a general course from populated urban areas first, then to less densely populated outward.
Remember, not everyone will be infected with the virus (can vary but expect 25-40%), and not everyone will become ill if they become infected. If they become ill, the severity of illness will vary as the body produces anti-bodies, but the mortality (death) rate from the current incarnation of H5N1 (bird flu) is about 20%.
One should purchase surgical masks and close-fitting eye protective wear (like goggles) if one has none already, and surgical gloves for all family members.
Have 4-6 weeks of food and sanitary drinking water available at home, in case you decide to stay at home, or if there is a general quarantine order.
Be extremely sanitation-conscious, remembering flu is easily spread (air-borne or through surface contact), such as by the expellation of the virus from mucosal tissue, particularly from the nose and cough. Wash hands thoroughly after touching surfaces in public places, rubbing eyes after shaking hands, eating food prepared by someone else, etc.
Prepare to be isolated for a while, and consider quarantine practices, isolating a person who has had contact with others for about 5 days.
Elderly, the very young, those with compromised immune systems, etc, should not have person to person contact with outsiders, nor with those who have.
The flu can travel faster than people can get sick from it (incubation period can range from 1-5 days, and given the prevalence of modern travel), but it will travel a general course from populated urban areas first, then to less densely populated outward.
Remember, not everyone will be infected with the virus (can vary but expect 25-40%), and not everyone will become ill if they become infected. If they become ill, the severity of illness will vary as the body produces anti-bodies, but the mortality (death) rate from the current incarnation of H5N1 (bird flu) is about 20%.
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by OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 03:53:05
This is where the Chinese flu outbreak is in Shenzhen...NEAR HONG KONG!!!
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by OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 04:00:35
Ok, maybe it's the regular old flu, but if they start dropping like flies, I'm outta here. 
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Err??
by UIUCstudent01 » Mon 09 May 2005, 04:56:28
Why isn't this like on the news?
Was this the same strain the one that was thought to be developed in a lab and 'accidentaly' released? (Thus, is it possible that this is an indirect attack on China's demand?)
WTF? If I start hearing about this on MSM- I'm probably going to take Peak Oil and much more things a bit more seriously in my day-to-day living... (right now, I'm kinda at a University - 'studying' for finals and all - definitely going to prepare or look at gardening/weight train/(get a gun? Big reaction from family on that..)/learn skills(picking locks, lol)/Make an electric bike)
Shit. Stop making me panic - you're really making me jumpy - I'VE GOT FINALS SHUT UP!
God damn.
Was this the same strain the one that was thought to be developed in a lab and 'accidentaly' released? (Thus, is it possible that this is an indirect attack on China's demand?)
WTF? If I start hearing about this on MSM- I'm probably going to take Peak Oil and much more things a bit more seriously in my day-to-day living... (right now, I'm kinda at a University - 'studying' for finals and all - definitely going to prepare or look at gardening/weight train/(get a gun? Big reaction from family on that..)/learn skills(picking locks, lol)/Make an electric bike)
Shit. Stop making me panic - you're really making me jumpy - I'VE GOT FINALS SHUT UP!
God damn.
https://www.videogamevoters.org/ http://www.savetheinternet.com/ http://www.votersforpeace.us/index.jsp
www.911myths.com - To the 9/11-ers, give it some thought.
www.911myths.com - To the 9/11-ers, give it some thought.
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by OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 12:49:40
Don't panic, just be aware this is a possibility, ok? Take a deep breath.
Now, back to the news:
While this newspaper headline sounds reassuring...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')lu outbreak hits 286 in Guangdong, now under control
China Flu Outbreak
Now, back to the news:
While this newspaper headline sounds reassuring...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')lu outbreak hits 286 in Guangdong, now under control
China Flu Outbreak
Looking at the date - 2005-04-27 08:29:52 - coupled with my prior news post. IS NOT.
Whatever this type of flu in China is...from a public health or epidemiological standpoint....at 10,000 or more infections...the genie is out of the bottle...The question is...what flu virus is it?
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by stu » Mon 09 May 2005, 14:42:16
Unfortunately I would love to follow that advice to prepare for the influenza pandemic but the virus will hit in waves and it could go on for more than a year.
"The age of excess is over. The age of entropy has begun"
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by OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:00:51
Stu, you are absolutely correct.
It will come, if it does, in waves, the first one or ones being somewhat milder.
It will come, if it does, in waves, the first one or ones being somewhat milder.
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by uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:29:09
Heres a silly little question that got stuck in my head this morning. If a flu pandemic basically took out every major city, leaving only rural populations how many people would be left?
I did a quick tally on Canada and if the capital and major citites (or airport areas) were wiped out it would be over half of our population.
That would fix the over population thing. really quickly. I sure hope the conspiracy nuts aren't right about this.
I did a quick tally on Canada and if the capital and major citites (or airport areas) were wiped out it would be over half of our population.
That would fix the over population thing. really quickly. I sure hope the conspiracy nuts aren't right about this.
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Re: Err??
by threadbear » Mon 09 May 2005, 15:46:35
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'W')hy isn't this like on the news?
Was this the same strain the one that was thought to be developed in a lab and 'accidentaly' released? (Thus, is it possible that this is an indirect attack on China's demand?)
WTF? If I start hearing about this on MSM- I'm probably going to take Peak Oil and much more things a bit more seriously in my day-to-day living... (right now, I'm kinda at a University - 'studying' for finals and all - definitely going to prepare or look at gardening/weight train/(get a gun? Big reaction from family on that..)/learn skills(picking locks, lol)/Make an electric bike)
Shit. Stop making me panic - you're really making me jumpy - I'VE GOT FINALS SHUT UP!
God damn.
Was this the same strain the one that was thought to be developed in a lab and 'accidentaly' released? (Thus, is it possible that this is an indirect attack on China's demand?)
WTF? If I start hearing about this on MSM- I'm probably going to take Peak Oil and much more things a bit more seriously in my day-to-day living... (right now, I'm kinda at a University - 'studying' for finals and all - definitely going to prepare or look at gardening/weight train/(get a gun? Big reaction from family on that..)/learn skills(picking locks, lol)/Make an electric bike)
Shit. Stop making me panic - you're really making me jumpy - I'VE GOT FINALS SHUT UP!
God damn.
Why isn't THIS on the news?
"Especially in light of the events of 9/11, the vanishing of a scientist with Professor Wiley's expertise in virology and immunology should have been expected to be an issue of critical national importance, yet the official tone of the government was that this is nothing to worry about. Move along citizen, nothing to see.
In the context of the Anthrax letters being sent through the mail, any disappearance of any microbiologist under questionable circumstances should have set off alarm bells across the nation. but it didn't. Professor Wiley was assumed to have committed suicide, end of story.
The professor's colleagues expressed doubts about the official "suicide" explanation for his disappearance.
Then, more biologists started to die under suspicious circumstances.
The Very Mysterious Deaths of Five Microbiologists.
The body count of infections disease experts continued to climb. Connections to weapons research began to surface."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists
In response to SmallPoxGirl as to why I view the WHO as politicized, which I posted on the other thread-- I don't know how any organization can avoid being politicized, just by sins of ommission, if they're not aware of the weird deaths in the Microbiology community.
There seems to be an epidemic of murder and suicide breaking out among sensitively placed scientists. It's not that I'm overly casual about epidemic, I just wonder if a logical fear of epidemics, could be used as a means to cover an engineered event. The WHO, by virtue of ignoring the political, especially in the area of emergant strains, is politicized, albeit inadvertantly.
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by uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 09 May 2005, 16:20:07
The article lists 26 deaths, of various people around the world. That is freaky.
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by OilsNotWell » Mon 09 May 2005, 17:07:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ilsNotWell, think your becoming a bit hyper if you ask me. PO and now this, what happens, happenss. Nothing you can do about it, be happy be merry and get drunk
I really do hope this will not come to pass, but if it does, I'll be less likely to panic., because I had time to prepare, mentally and otherwise. But ignoring something doesn't make it go away....and as much as I like to have a good time, there's a time and place for everything.
History is replete with examples, particularly relating to plagues (epidemics), of the dangers of complacency to known and avoidable dangers. For example, in the yellow fever epidemic of 1878 in the Mississippi River Valley, which hit Memphis particularly hard, they were many who failed to adequately prepare, even given adequate warnings. Some finally fled, but the town was quite devastated. Read up on it.
But suit yourself.
You be the grasshopper, I'll be the ant.
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