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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby Anders » Wed 19 May 2010, 00:24:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')While this famous (and censored) chart is interesting, I believe it is quite misleading.

For example, lets go back to 1975 or so. See those spikes in the late 1930's or so? Thats basically Ghawar. In 1975 the height of those 3 bars wouldn't be where they are now ( approx 30-35 bboe ), they would be more like 20 bboe or so. The reason for this is that the best estimates of Ghawar in 1975 were much smaller. Nowadays, the known size of Ghawar is much larger. By continually backdating these changes in size, the overall shape of this graph remains the same, and its very difficult to notice that those bars just keep getting taller and taller as time goes on. Certainly near impossible to determine if changes in those bars actually are keeping up with consumption rates.


I don't know enough about the exact figures, but it's a fact that the U.S. oil production for example peaked in the early 70s, and the North Sea oil production peaked in 1999 and so on. And that on a global level there is the same trend of oil reserves going into a state of decline faster than new reserves are found and existing reserves being able to be more effectively extracted.
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 19 May 2010, 09:35:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anders', '
')I don't know enough about the exact figures, but it's a fact that the U.S. oil production for example peaked in the early 70s, and the North Sea oil production peaked in 1999 and so on.


There are many "facts" involved in the peak oil debate, and many peaks.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anders', '
') And that on a global level there is the same trend of oil reserves going into a state of decline faster than new reserves are found and existing reserves being able to be more effectively extracted.


I don't know what you mean by "same trend of oil reserves going into a state of decline"? Oil reserves have on average been increasing each year by the amount consumed plus a little more, which is why reserves have been getting higher and higher over the years. If I recall my last experiment, all oil reserves from about 1980 have already disappeared into consumption....yet we still have twice as much in reserves now than we did then. And it doesn't have as much to do with that particular discovery graph as many would like. Like I said, that graph is censored, it's as much a propaganda tool as anything else.
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby Anders » Wed 19 May 2010, 09:48:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'O')il reserves have on average been increasing each year by the amount consumed plus a little more, which is why reserves have been getting higher and higher over the years.


Are you saying that the decline in U.S. oil production since the early 70s for example is because of not using existing reserves enough? I find that hard to believe.
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby Pops » Wed 19 May 2010, 14:55:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anders', '
')I don't know enough about the exact figures, but it's a fact that the U.S. oil production for example peaked in the early 70s, and the North Sea oil production peaked in 1999 and so on.


There are many "facts" involved in the peak oil debate, and many peaks.

Just a heads up here Anders, there are many ways to dispute po and one way attempting to make simple, observable evidence seem something else. You are right, oil production has peaked in the US and N Sea and many other areas as well, I don't know if that's a fact or a "fact" - it just is.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anders', '
') And that on a global level there is the same trend of oil reserves going into a state of decline faster than new reserves are found and existing reserves being able to be more effectively extracted.


I don't know what you mean by "same trend of oil reserves going into a state of decline"? Oil reserves have on average been increasing each year by the amount consumed plus a little more, which is why reserves have been getting higher and higher over the years.

Here again Anders, you can see the tactic is to ignore the actual problem. The first problem, as you mentioned previously, is that easy oil is running out, so we resort to mining kerogen and drilling miles down and miles out in open water. Counting those barrels just like you counted the light sweet gushers of yore is an obvious way to obscure and deny any reason for concern.
The second problem overlooked in sos's blithe response, is that reserves must increase constantly just to stay even with ever increasing demand. If demand stayed constant there would be no problem but unfortunately, demand is constantly growing with population and increasing income and expectations worldwide. The number of years of reserves at current production level (again) has stayed right at 40 years (currently 42) since 1987 - after rising fairly constantly for many years.

That is if you can believe OPEC producers, many countries of which posted amazing finds that doubled some reserves overnight after production quotas were linked to reserves - oh and not one year of lowered reserves since.
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby Anders » Wed 19 May 2010, 15:37:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')That is if you can believe OPEC producers, many countries of which posted amazing finds that doubled some reserves overnight after production quotas were linked to reserves - oh and not one year of lowered reserves since.


Some experts have said that when OPEC nations some years ago suddenly increased their proven reserves dramatically, that it was only a change of numbers on paper, not an actual increase of reserves.

It's tricky with all the data and estimations. That's why I was interested in up-to-date global oil production statistics. That's historical data and even though there may be errors here and there in the statistics, it shows the actual overall global production over time. And the statistics shows a plateau of global oil production since around 2005. My non-expert guess is that the production will remain more or less flat for several years. The strong demand will 'pull up' the production, and increased costs for extracting the oil will 'push down' the production, with a net tug-of-war result of the production remaining pretty much at the same level as today.
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 19 May 2010, 19:39:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anders', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'O')il reserves have on average been increasing each year by the amount consumed plus a little more, which is why reserves have been getting higher and higher over the years.


Are you saying that the decline in U.S. oil production since the early 70s for example is because of not using existing reserves enough? I find that hard to believe.


Not at all. I was referring to global oil reserves, not domestic.
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby Anders » Thu 20 May 2010, 00:00:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')Not at all. I was referring to global oil reserves, not domestic.


Yes, it's the global peak oil I'm interested in, but it seems difficult to get accurate statistics about actual reserves. Much of the information about oil reserves around the world is inaccurate I suspect. For political and competitive reasons.

I usually don't like having more and more laws and regulations, because it often creates a lot of extra friction and artificial restrictions, but maybe in this case it would be good to have some international oil inspection agency, similar to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), to collect accurate statistics for oil reserves in oil-producing countries.
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 20 May 2010, 00:14:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anders', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')Not at all. I was referring to global oil reserves, not domestic.


Yes, it's the global peak oil I'm interested in, but it seems difficult to get accurate statistics about actual reserves. Much of the information about oil reserves around the world is inaccurate I suspect. For political and competitive reasons.


Quite a reasonable assumption. IHS tends to be one of the few organizations which spends quite a bit of money independently coming up with their own reserves and resource numbers for the planet. One of the few ways to get around simply taking the stated numbers which may have exactly the problems you suspect.
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Thu 20 May 2010, 16:39:34

But then I suspect that I can take Actual
SocioEconomicPolitical Events and that
I can match them Exactly to the State of Oil
Production with Reserves being MERELY an extension
of the price of crude.

Like the Cataclysm ongoing in the Gulf right now.

A sure fire way to know that we are now in the Olduvai Gorge.

Just sayin'. :twisted: 8O :roll: 8)
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 20 May 2010, 21:30:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
')A sure fire way to know that we are now in the Olduvai Gorge.

Just sayin'. :twisted: 8O :roll: 8)


Ever noticed how no one really talks about that one any more James? That theory was more than a little suspicious even back when it was supposedly happening in late 2008....now you want to pretend its being triggered by what....global oil production data? You do know the topic here, right?
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Re: Looking for up-to-date global oil production data

Unread postby Anders » Fri 21 May 2010, 00:22:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'B')ut then I suspect that I can take Actual
SocioEconomicPolitical Events and that
I can match them Exactly to the State of Oil
Production with Reserves being MERELY an extension
of the price of crude.


You mean this as a tongue-in-cheek remark I take it. The reality seems more to point to the price of oil being largely uncorrelated with oil production when it comes to oil fields past peak, such as the recent decline of the large Cantarell field in Mexico which barely changed at all when the price skyrockeded to $147 and then fell sharply to below $40 a barrel around 2008:

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