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THE British Petroleum (BP) Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Postby AirlinePilot » Sun 09 May 2010, 00:33:47

Does anyone have numbers on the LOOP daily traffic? Oil amounts? Tanker capacity etc? I lost all my links in a computer meltdown last fall and had some of these.

I'm curious what the impact may be if the LOOP has to curtail or cease allowing tanker traffic for any length of time.
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Postby Homesteader » Sun 09 May 2010, 03:21:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', 'L')ooks like a couple of big patches of oil are to continue a westward movement by the Sunday forecast map below. LOOP authorities have mentioned the possibility of heavy oil shutting down operations -- the patches are medium. It's hard to fathom the oil spilling for another 2 months or so.

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Anyone here actually believe the 3 month timeline for the sucessful drilling of the relief well and stopping the oil?

That will be July 20.
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Postby Cog » Sun 09 May 2010, 13:55:36

BP will have the data from the Horizon well to guide them as to which formations they will be drilling through that will give them trouble. So that is the good part of this.

The bad part is they also will be super-cautious with this well because they can't risk a kick that would overcome their ability to control it. So they will tend to run with a higher mud weight, slowing their drilling down. Also, they will need to be very precise to hit the other well that has a diameter of a large can of coffee.

So can they do it in three months total? Yes in theory if they have no problems.
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Postby timmac » Mon 10 May 2010, 00:21:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')BP will have the data from the Horizon well to guide them as to which formations they will be drilling through that will give them trouble. So that is the good part of this.

The bad part is they also will be super-cautious with this well because they can't risk a kick that would overcome their ability to control it. So they will tend to run with a higher mud weight, slowing their drilling down. Also, they will need to be very precise to hit the other well that has a diameter of a large can of coffee.

So can they do it in three months total? Yes in theory if they have no problems.


If they attempt the cap again and it does not work for the 2nd time, waiting up to 3 months for this is going to have some serious economic problems even if it is successful..
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Postby GoghGoner » Mon 10 May 2010, 19:25:52

The winds should be moving the oil north a quicker from the spill, it may mean heavy oil in the area of the LOOP but NOAA 72 hour forecast looks like just some more light stuff...

LOOP says ops not seen hit by Gulf oil spill

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;LOOP has seen some sheen from the oil spill at its marine
terminal but it has not impacted our operations," spokeswoman
Barb Hestermann said in an email.
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Postby Frank » Tue 11 May 2010, 21:28:08

Hell, maybe they should just scoop it out of the water and dump it right into the pipeline: save on transport costs! :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK, not funny. 3 months wait is not tenable IMO. Why would the oil slick shut down LOOP anyway? I would think that oil would stick near the surface and tankers draw a fair amount of water; why would their operations be impacted because of localized pollution? It might be messy but we need our fix....
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Time to ban British Petroleum from doing business in the US

Postby Graeme » Tue 18 May 2010, 00:36:33

British Petroleum vs. a sustainable planet: time to ban BP from doing business in the United States
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ritish Petroleum (BP) portrayed itself this past decade as an oil company investing in renewable sources of clean energy for a “Beyond Petroleum” future. BP had many people convinced that it was a very different kind of oil company, but the catastrophic spill this spring in the Gulf of Mexico is shedding light on the true nature of this transnational corporation.

BP is the embodiment of mindless growth, an organization that puts profits ahead of people and the planet. Its practices run counter to the prudent economic policies promoted by the Center for the Advancement of a Steady State Economy. BP in fact provides a case study of a corporation fixated on unlimited growth in oil consumption while pretending to be focused on sustainable living.

BP’s advertising slogan “Beyond Petroleum” suggested that the company was going to move rapidly away from dirty oil, cut energy waste, and support clean transportation policies. BP pushed aggressively ahead with massive pursuit of fossil fuel, and rather than spend profits on clean energy investments, the company used $50 billion this past decade buying back its own stock.


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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby Graeme » Tue 18 May 2010, 00:57:02

Engineer accuses BP of ignoring damaged oil well safety gear

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he critical piece of safety equipment that failed to shut down the oil well after the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded last month was damaged before the accident, it emerged yesterday.

According to a survivor’s account that could prove devastating to BP as it struggles to stop millions of gallons of oil spewing into the Gulf of Mexico, the safety device — known as a blowout preventer — was punctured in the weeks before the blast but nothing was done to fix it.

Mike Williams, the rig’s chief electronics technician, also said that in the lead-up to the disaster BP officials, concerned that the project was behind schedule and costing the company $1 million (£680,000) a day, ordered a faster pace of drilling.


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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby Fiddlerdave » Tue 18 May 2010, 01:13:30

Ban BP? How about nationalize BP in order to partially ameliorate the damages they are causing?
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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby Homesteader » Tue 18 May 2010, 01:54:48

Ban them from doing business on this planet. This isn't the only catastrophe they are responsible for. Sell the assets to fund the clean-up in the GOM and everywhere else.
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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby Keith_McClary » Tue 18 May 2010, 02:53:49

By that standard many US corps should be banned or nationalized in many countries.
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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby Homesteader » Tue 18 May 2010, 03:15:28

Agreed.

But then that would disrupt BAU and we can't have that can we? We must continue on with BAU regardless of the costs borne by the planet and future generations. . . right? Future generations of all the remaining species that is.
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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 18 May 2010, 13:03:34

Somehow I think that destruction of major corporations and banking cartels either by means of bankruptcy proceedings (actually most of them are bankrupt entities, existing only due to various forms of subsidies), nationalization, cancellation of intellectual property laws or simply by disbanding and assets sale is prerequisite for successful conversion to sustainable life.

Such conversion will not be possible for as long as major corporations exist.
The faster they are finished off, the better.
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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby aldente » Tue 18 May 2010, 17:37:01

The so called "major corporations" are meanwhile as bad a pest as rats were in the middle ages. Good luck with your new elimination methods (given that you are interested in dealing with the past)...the future might deliver otherwise.
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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby dorlomin » Thu 20 May 2010, 05:41:36

No mention of Haliburton or the rig operators?

But anyway.

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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby eXpat » Thu 20 May 2010, 09:18:12

Well, here is an idea, Boycott all BP products!!!! :x . ARCO and ampm are BP´s retail brands in the US.
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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby evilgenius » Thu 20 May 2010, 10:04:28

Banning them was something I thought of in the first few days after the accident. I was only being reactionary, not proactive. What really needs to be done is to restructure corporations themselves such that there are better 'checks' in place to prevent self-indulgent executives from running them in a way that is not conducive with the concept of a going concern. Generally accepted accounting principles demand that companies be run with the concept of them as going concerns in mind. When safety measures are flaunted as a matter of course, read BP in Prudhoe Bay, Texas City, and now here, and nothing is done about it until something comes of it, then the concept is being violated. A long time ago the executives at BP should have been done by the auditors. When the safety investment was not done the executive's actions should have been flagged and their decisions overruled. If they tried to hide their decisions from the auditors they should have gotten prison sentences. I think this is important because it is here where for perhaps the first time we can talk about prison sentences for executives and have it stick whereas almost always a fine given out to the corporation at large is what occurs.
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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby mcgowanjm » Thu 20 May 2010, 11:45:28

And as you can see from our Financial Conflagration
we're so far past anyone thinking that we could
somehow take the 'Alien/Vampire Squid off the Face
of America and have the patient live that the best we can now
hope is for a Quick Collapse of the Plutocracy, Min Death/Suffering.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') "It could very well be that the entire Gulf and the East coast of Florida could become dead zones, with no aquatic life at all."


And yet not One Sign of Panic from DC. If Every Resource imaginable is not being put into effect now, then what Crisis
will be the one?

Is there something more important? The Top 1% think there's more and better living somewhere else?
30 million w/o a livlihood is manageable?
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BP leak camera goes live

Postby Olaf » Thu 20 May 2010, 13:49:14

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Re: Time to ban BP from doing business in the United States

Postby dorlomin » Fri 21 May 2010, 03:54:01

I am wondering if those calling for BP to be taken over by the US government also feel that Occidental should have been after piper alpha or the likes of Shell and Ceveron should be by the Nigerian government?

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