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THE British Petroleum (BP) Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 04 May 2010, 01:21:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')ow, who knew the British could be every bit as slimly as us Americans? Yikes. Stop for a moment and think about how crappy this is.. Big Oil Company ruins your fishing business with their undersea gushing volcano of oil, then said Oil Company "hires" you to clean up the mess but the catch is you can't sue them for the damage they caused you in the first place.

Incidentally.. BP just posted 5.5 BILLION in profits (not revenue, profits) for just the last quarter.


While Novus is correct that BP is a global corp, in it for the $, I take the position that what is slimy about America was largely learnt from the British. Read "Bury my heart at Wounded Knee" and the history of the formation of Israel.

$5000 to Americans affected by this oil spill? How about the same to other countries around the gulf? That could get very expensive. Plus it won't prevent nation states from sueing, or put fish on the table for long for the millions of potential victims.
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 04 May 2010, 01:29:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'B')P is a multinational corporation beyond the ability of one nation to regulate or control. They are NOT British and have no sense of duty or obligation to any nation. They are in it for the money and that it is all.


So what are you saying, they're an international company who just happens to have British spokespeople, and the B in BP just happens to stand for British?

They had a British BP executive on the morning news today, think it was the Today Show. It doesn't really matter he's British, he's just plain slimy -- the whole interview was a delicate dance around how this isn't really BP's fault, but they'll clean it up anyway, and they'll pay all "legitmate" claims -- the word 'legitimate' is lawyer doublespeak that really means they're going to vigorously contest every claim, since it's only a court of law that can determine which claims are "legitimate."
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby Revi » Tue 04 May 2010, 09:49:15

How can BP possibly get out of this? They did it. Who else did it? I think they will try to wiggle out of paying to clean it up, but ultimately they are responsible for this disaster.

I am not eating shrimp from the gulf coast again in my lifetime.

I'll stick with the small shrimp they get off the coast of Maine from now on.

Until the oil slick gets taken by the gulf stream and wrecks the rest of the east coast fisheries.

We are poisoning ourselves like yeast in a bottle.
Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 04 May 2010, 09:59:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')e are poisoning ourselves like yeast in a bottle.


I keep thinking of the phrase "fouling our nest" as one ex-officio poster used to say.
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 04 May 2010, 14:12:46

Sue, baby, sue!!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/gulf-oil-spill-10024/]Louisiana Gulf Oil Spill Lawsuits[/url]

Lawyers are investigating claims for a wide variety of individuals whose livelihood and quality of life have been affected by this disaster, including, but not limited to:

* Fishermen
* Oyster farmers
* Shrimpers
* Coastal property owners
* Charter boat operators
* Coastal tourism business owners
* Deepwater Horizon workers or family members of workers injured or killed.

>>SUBMIT CLAIM INFORMATION TO A GULF COAST OIL SPILL LAWYER<<
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 05 May 2010, 05:04:24

Now these British employees of BP are putting us down for being money-hungry Americans. As if the oil slick isn't catastrophic, as if we all just want to take advantage of poor BP:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r Hayward reiterated a promise that BP “will honour all legitimate claims for business interruption”. Asked for examples of illegitimate claims, he said: “I could give you lots of examples. This is America — come on. We’re going to have lots of illegitimate claims. We all know that.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7116260.ece


So what the heck does that mean, Great Britain doesn't have any meritless lawsuits? And what's the point of even saying this publicly to a journalist, these BP execs are obviously real pricks. They're attacking all the lawsuits even before they get filed.

BP just needs to SHUT UP about all the lawsuits that don't even exist yet. Maybe BP should concentrate more on getting the well capped and who knows, maybe they'd have less lawsuits to deal with later.

As for "illegitimate" lawsuits, they'll have every right to contest these claims in court. Don't worry, BP, if anything our legal system favors big business.
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 05 May 2010, 09:08:19

^
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I__I told you Day 1 to go look at the Case File
of BP's Texas Refinery Lawsuit.

http://www.texascityexplosion.com/

This is Agit/Prop. Just like War.

Sue them regular sue them often. BigOil has as much
control over the Media as the Politburo had on Itar/Tass
Pravda circa 1975.

The only reason I don't hate BP is that it gets in the way of my owning them. :twisted: 8O :roll: 8)
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 05 May 2010, 09:24:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Everything about it is unprecedented,” said geochemist Christopher Reddy, an oil-spill expert and head of the Coastal Ocean Institute at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. “All our knowledge is based on a one-shot event. ... With this, we don’t know when it’s going to stop.”

Read more: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... z0n3pxD59H


And of course note that Not One Greenpeace, Sierra
Club, WWF, Levees.Org, Nature Conservancy,
Woods Hole, Scripps Institution, Indivdual has
appeared Anywhere on Any Media.
(And I don't mean at 53 min before the hour
on the Discovery Channel;}

Truth replaced by silence is Evil.

Note to folks needing translation of my vocabulary.

This is violence against communities to keep them from organizing.
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 05 May 2010, 09:29:20

The Gates of Hell. A mile under what used to
be a Viable Marine Ecosystem. Similar tourist meccas
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 05 May 2010, 09:34:40

A prediction;
Lawyers picnic around the gulf, not just USA.
Major upsurge in anti DOSD.
Oil price spike Mark 2.
(Black swan 2010 & SG no longer in running for price predictor of the year)
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 05 May 2010, 09:43:56

DOSD?
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 05 May 2010, 10:05:26

:lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Share Comments NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) - In what is looming as another public relations predicament for Goldman Sachs, the banking giant admitted today that it made "a substantial financial bet against the Gulf of Mexico" one day before the sinking of an oil rig in that body of water.
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 05 May 2010, 10:19:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot If, When: The DH/BP oil spill will eventually get caught up in the Loop Current and be carried around the Florida Keys and up Florida's east coast, washing ashore on rich people's playgrounds and prompting extensive Federal rescue efforts. 'Eventually' is some time in the next week or two.


A Great Thing about this is that I know the folks
who live on these once pristine, white, best beaches in the world.

People that own basically everything in the South.

And put their second homes in Orange, Florabama,
Navarre, Santa Rosa, Ft Walton, Destin, Grayton,
Panama City, St Joe, Apalachicola.....

All reduced to Zero Value. Not one Land deal
done in the last week.

All kinds of SEC Sports Events. All gone, if nothing
done.

And then on down the FL Coast to all of those
Resort Islands, Sanibel/Captiva, can't stir the Republicans with a stick.

All destroyed. All gone. For Decades.

Then Key West and around to Key Largo, Marathon
and another MultiMillion $$$ Enclave.

And then it's... into the Gulf stream. :evil: :x 8)
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 05 May 2010, 10:36:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ast year, Halliburton was also implicated for its cementing work prior to a massive blowout off the coast of Australia, where a rig caught on fire and spewed hundreds of thousands of gallons into the sea for ten weeks.

In that incident, workers apparently failed to properly pump cement into the well, according to Elmer Danenberger, former head of regulatory affairs for the U.S. Minerals Management Service, who testified to an Australian commission probing that accident.

"The problem with the cementing job was one of the root causes in the Australian blowout," Danenberger told Huffington Post, adding that the rig crew didn't pick up on indications of an influx of fluids coming back in after they cemented the casing. "The crew didn't pick up on them and didn't take action."

Halliburton declined to return a detailed request for comment from Huffington Post.


I note the NOLA website. It now looks the way it should
have about two weeks ago.

With BP et al lying from Day 1.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')aw that, too, Louis.. The ’spill’ in Australia, from the same faulty Haliburton valve, continued for ten (yes, that’s right; 10) weeks before it was capped. That sounds like about 200 years of recuperation for the Gulf of Mexico.
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Re: BP working to avoid lawsuits

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 05 May 2010, 10:49:52

The end of Louisiana. You can smell it in the NOGC:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
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And humans too live in this balance. For hundreds of years Cajun, Isleno, Creole, and African American fishermen have watched the tides and licked their fingers to the winds, following the shrimp, oysters, fish, and fowl of this land-meets-ocean edge world that their ancestors deemed a paradise. "Acadiana" from which "cajun" is a modified anglicization which at its root refers to the idyllic place of Greek beauty and bounty, Arcadia.

But as Nicolas Poussin's shepherds remind us, even "et in Arcadia ego" — interpretable as "even in paradise, death exist." The seeming paradise of southern Louisiana, resulting from cosmically dynamic interactions of ocean tides, wind, and river flows, has been morbidly upset by human greed. Beginning with the plantations in the 1700s vast forests along the Mississippi and distributary bayous were cleared, wetlands drained, levees erected and canals dug with slave labor. King cotton and queen sugar reigned supreme and befouled their hinterlands until the early twentieth century when the petrochemical industry and shipping industry eclipsed any ecological harm they had ever caused. The shift from agricultural plantations to chemical plants, from the extraction of crops to the extraction of minerals did more than upset the balance. Southern Louisiana is dying today. The land is disappearing. What land remains has been made toxic by the chemical plants and oil wells, dump ponds, slag and waste.

The Deepwater Horizon's explosion, and the "river of oil" now flowing from its ruptured well riser five thousand feet beneath the ocean surface is a catastrophe, the proportions of which are unknown and only beginning to be understood. Usually indifferent to the "everyday" environmental disasters surrounding their city —including almost monthly chemical leaks, explosions and oil spills on relatively smaller scales— New Orleanians can smell the oil coming at their coastline, blown by strong onshore winds.
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The LOOP and the British Petroleum Spill

Unread postby Pops » Fri 07 May 2010, 07:48:04

No not the current, the Louisiana Offshore Oil Port. It's located northwest of the Horizon spill and so far still taking traffic.

But... $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')LOOP handles 13 percent of the nation's foreign oil, about 1.2 million barrels a day, and connects by pipeline to 50 percent of the U.S. refining capability.
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Any ideas whether the spill could close down traffic? What might be the impact if it did?
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Unread postby GoghGoner » Fri 07 May 2010, 08:41:49

Looks like a big patch of oil is going to set up around the LOOP. The SPR could be tapped for a few months so it is hard seeing this has causing serious problems but the potential exists if the oil spill continues for a few more weeks...

NOAA Deep Horizon Updates and Trajectory

The Gulf Spill: Now What?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ouisiana Offshore Oil Port (LOOP)--a major location for importing oil--remains accessible as it is much further west of the bulk of the spill--but it is not impossible that the slick could affect access. The major ports at Pascagoula, Miss., and Mobile, Ala., have seen no interruptions yet but their shipping lanes could be narrowed as the oil slick continues to move northeast. The main Southwest Passage into the New Orleans port remains open, though the three-day trajectory of the oil slick provided by NOAA suggests the waters around the passage could become tainted. This could affect a whole string of ports, from Plaquemines to Baton Rouge and most notably New Orleans, the country's 13th-largest port by total overseas trade. The entire Mississippi River system--a critical transportation route for the economy of the U.S. heartland--will feel reverberations if delays result from the need to clean oil off of ships.
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Unread postby GoghGoner » Fri 07 May 2010, 10:04:06

Oil creeping toward Grand Isle, Port Fourchon

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il has also drifted into the Louisiana Offshore Oil Port security zone, a heavily guarded area in the Gulf west of Grand Isle where oil is offloaded from tankers and piped to inland refineries.

LOOP has the capacity to store about 50 million barrels of crude and is connected to half the U.S. refinery capacity, according to the LOOP Inc. website.
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Unread postby GoghGoner » Fri 07 May 2010, 18:32:45

Gulf oil spill could reach Louisiana Offshore Oil Port next week

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')urrent projections show the oil spill from the Deepwater Horizon disaster could reach the port next week, said Sale Sittig, director of the Louisiana Oil Terminal Authority, an oversight body for LOOP.

"It definitely could be shut down if the heavy oil gets in the vicinity of the platform," Sittig said.

The Coast Guard would determine whether LOOP would be shut down. The port has never closed for an extended period since its inception in the 1970s, though it has closed briefly for hurricanes.

A long closure almost certainly would send gasoline prices higher, Sittig said.
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Re: The LOOP and the BP Spill

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sat 08 May 2010, 23:55:17

Looks like a couple of big patches of oil are to continue a westward movement by the Sunday forecast map below. LOOP authorities have mentioned the possibility of heavy oil shutting down operations -- the patches are medium. It's hard to fathom the oil spilling for another 2 months or so.

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