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Re: U.S. Department of Energy sees decline in oil production

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 01 Apr 2010, 20:34:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'I')m finding this all rather bizarre just about now. We have climbing oil prices in light of good storage numbers and significant US demand cutbacks. We have several slightly fringe energy sites/blogs calling BS on OPEC/Saud reserve estimates. We have some recent articles talking about blatant obfuscation in the energy industry. By all normal and "credible" sources there IS NO PROBLEM with oil other than speculators! ;)


Recently in the WSJ, I read that about half of the huge floating global tanker arsenal of crude hanging around at ports is now GONE. The article stated that this was a sign of increasing demand vs. supply, and thus that the rising trend in crude oil prices seems rather rational, all things considered.

As a moderate who believes in the Rubin pricing scenario (trend) over the next decade, i agree entirely that the oil price trend over time is to go way up. The KEY point Rubin drives home, IMO, is that 3rd world demand will TOTALLY overwhelm any 1st world demand drop (and such a drop is not likely to be meaningful, IMO UNLESS we have MUCH higher oil prices) over time. (3 billion people, and higher economic growth rates and a desire for motorized transpo - do the math).

While I agree that speculators will be blamed (as always), those with a time horizon longer than a gnat and are looking at big picture trends don't need to look for industry obfuscation to explain climbing oil prices -- I see rational investors (overall) reacting to data trends, growing ever more obvious as global world recovery gradually takes hold.


edit - clarified comment about first world demand dropping
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Re: U.S. Department of Energy sees decline in oil production

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 01 Apr 2010, 20:49:42

The saudis came out recently talking about how they think $80 is the sweet spot and if necessary they can open the spigot to keep it in that range. This is consistent with other estimates that indicate that the Saudis do in fact still have a reasonable cushion. So in the immediate future I don't really see an oil superspike.

I think the DOE report has been overplayed and somewhat twisted in interpretation by websites with agendas. I don't think the administration is panicking over peak oil. I think they understand there are issues ahead, but not TSHTF peak oil doom that you or I think about. Chu already gave a technofix type argument regarding peak oil. So that is pretty much the party line--that we will innovate our way out of this, and that we can do so at a relatively leisurely pace.
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Re: U.S. Department of Energy sees decline in oil production

Unread postby JJ » Thu 01 Apr 2010, 22:39:23

well, I made a comment at work about the white house actually recognizing peak oil and was ridiculed. "Oh they've been saying that for years"...
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Re: U.S. Department of Energy sees decline in oil production

Unread postby misterno » Thu 01 Apr 2010, 23:37:21

1) Currently, the world is awash with oil, this is due to lower demand stemmed from worldwide recession.

2) The reason for $80+/barrel has nothing to do with peak oil or shortage of oil or hidden demand. The only reason is the low value of dollar due to extremely low interest rates. OPEC and other producers keep the price high to compensate for the low value of USD.

3) If and only if demand recovers and US economy starts to grow which I think never will happen, then FED increases the interest rates and this creates capital inflow to the US thus increasing demand for USD. When USD appreciates against other currencies, oil will go back to $30/barrel gradually.

Only problem is I don't think US Economy can ever grow wihout an artificial boom like back late 90's and 2002-2007 era.
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Re: U.S. Department of Energy sees decline in oil production

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Thu 08 Apr 2010, 01:31:24

The DoD and the DoE seem to agree on the same prediction: PO within a few years !!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') report of the American Department of Defense (DoD), titled Joint Operating Environemnt 2010 [PDF] indicates (page 29):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015. the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 MBD."


10 million barrels per day (MBD), that represents the production of Saudi Arabia, the world's leading petroleum producer. Such a shortfall, if it should come, would be more than 10 percent of the world demand for crude, which is today 86.5 MBD, and ought to reach 90 MBD in 2015.

If this hypothesis of the Pentagon comes to pass, a third oil shock would hit the world economy, one that would probably be more violent than the two preceding ones.

An identical prediction of a gap of 10 MBD between supply and demand in 2015 appeared on page 8 in the Department of Energy (DoE) document [PDF]. ...
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Re: U.S. Department of Energy sees decline in oil production

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 08 Apr 2010, 01:43:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '2')) The reason for $80+/barrel has nothing to do with peak oil or shortage of oil or hidden demand. The only reason is the low value of dollar due to extremely low interest rates. OPEC and other producers keep the price high to compensate for the low value of USD.


William Clark himself used to post here, Mr. Petrodollar Warfare himself. Haven't heard from him in a while but anyone interested in the bbls=bucks can dig up his posts.
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Re: U.S. Department of Energy sees decline in oil production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 08 Apr 2010, 14:45:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is just the beginning. Its going to be fun to watch!


LMAO and you still want to convince me and OF2 you are not a doomer after that quote! :lol: :lol: :lol:



I dont see any time-frame on my post. I didn't say its going to happen tomorrow. Once again I call BS on your complete mischaracterization of what I'm trying to put out.
Maybe Im talking about the next 10 years..or 5..or 20..you don't know since you only care to paint a picture of what you think is meant by my posts. I'll keep calling you on it until you see the light and understand Im not a doomer, Im a realist.

Lumping us all into the same boat is nothing more than stereotyping and its a poor substitute for discussion.
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