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Re: FBI Raids

Postby Ludi » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 08:45:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hristian militia group


There probably ought to be some sort of different name for it. Didn't this Christ fellow preach tolerance, and peace, and love?



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Re: FBI Raids

Postby eXpat » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 08:54:51

Apparently there were selling pipe bombs.
FBI Conducts Raids In SE Michigan
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')OSTED: Sunday, March 28, 2010
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ADRIAN, Mich. -- Federal prosecutors plan to unseal charges today against members of a self-described Christian militia arrested Saturday and Sunday in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois.

At least seven people were taken into custody in raids by an FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force as part of an investigation into an Adrian-based unit of the Hutaree, a group that professes it is training in modern armed combat techniques for a prophesized coming battle with the Antichrist.

The FBI said Sunday that agents conducted weekend raids in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio have resulted in arrests, and a militia leader in Michigan said the target of at least one of the raids was a Christian militia group.

Images: FBI Raids Extremist Group In MI
Watch: FBI Conducts Raids Of Extremists Group In Michigan

Federal warrants were sealed, but FBI spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said there had been activity in two southeast Michigan counties near the Ohio state line.

Sources told Local 4 the arrests were for selling pipe bombs.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/22978954/detail.html
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby eXpat » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 11:17:46

Militia Members Planned To Kill Cop And Bomb Funeral, Prosecutors Say
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON — Nine suspects tied to a Christian militia in the Midwest are charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral in the hopes of killing more law enforcement people, federal prosecutors said Monday.

U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said agents moved on the group because the Hutaree members were planning a violent reconaissance mission sometime in April – just a few days away.

Members of the group called Hutaree are charged in the case, including their leader, David Brian Stone, also known as "Captain Hutaree."

Once other officers gathered for a slain officer's funeral, the group planned to detonate homemade bombs at the funeral, killing more, according to newly unsealed court papers.

The indictment includes charges of seditious conspiracy, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction – homemade bombs.

The indictment charges members of the group conspired "to levy war against the United States, (and) to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/hutaree-militia-planned-t_n_516937.html
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby highlander » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 11:22:40

I am waiting for the "confidential informant" line in this story. Hope this reply doesn't make the thread go away like last time.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby hillsidedigger » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 11:32:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hristian militia group


There probably ought to be some sort of different name for it. Didn't this Christ fellow preach tolerance, and peace, and love?


The earliest followers of Jesus were mostly all killed for what they they knew (gnosis) and the message of Jesus was mutated to be Pauliniism and later Constantiniism and the adherents of those 2 mutations seem not to know how far they are from what was originally intended.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 11:46:18

Buncha flabby drunk douches. They can be fun to share a beer with, but not to get involved with.

BATF will screw the hell out of them with the 922r domestic content laws for the AKs.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby gnm » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 12:35:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'B')ATF will screw the hell out of them with the 922r domestic content laws for the AKs.


What the heck is 922r domestic content law?

LOL @Ludi - Ground and pound....Whats that for a Christian cage fight club or something? :lol:

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Re: FBI Raids

Postby mos6507 » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 15:05:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'I') am waiting for the "confidential informant" line in this story. Hope this reply doesn't make the thread go away like last time.


When Joe Stack flew his plane into the IRS building there was all too much sympathy for him here. I expect the same this time despite the suspected plans for IEDs to bomb the police and then bomb the subsequent funeral (which is right out of the Al Qaeda playbook, btw). I'm sure we'll have some tinfoil to imply that they were framed, and if that fails, just flat out rationalize their planned use of violence. That's the way things go here, where anger at TPTB is so blind that the ends is always seen justifying the means (and any group that classifies itself as survivalist who go prancing around the wilderness with guns is seen as "our people"--worthy of circling the wagons).
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby Ludi » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 15:10:39

It's all fun and games until someone blows up your family - or you.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby Loki » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 15:18:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')hank God it was not another WACO. Now it's up to the lawyers to figure out who broke the law.

Yes, that would not have been good. The partisan rhetoric is heated enough. It's good to hear the Michigan Militia distancing themselves from the Hutaree---I heard one spokesman call them a religious cult.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'B')uncha flabby drunk douches. They can be fun to share a beer with, but not to get involved with.

BATF will screw the hell out of them with the 922r domestic content laws for the AKs.


Parts counts sound like the least of their problems. They're being charged with seditious conspiracy and "attempts to use weapons of mass destruction." Guess the End Times have come a little sooner for them than they had planned....

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Re: FBI Raids

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 18:21:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'B')ATF will screw the hell out of them with the 922r domestic content laws for the AKs.

What the heck is 922r domestic content law?


Those AKs are all rebuilt from foreign parts, but they must have a US receiver with US serial #s and a specific number of other US parts, often a couple trigger parts, stock, and muzzle brake.

But groups like this build AKs like they're holding quilting bees, and they are bound to have guns that aren't automatic but are still illegal.

And BATF bound to snag a couple full auto conversions, probably some stolen blasting caps.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby highlander » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 13:04:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'I') am waiting for the "confidential informant" line in this story. Hope this reply doesn't make the thread go away like last time.


When Joe Stack flew his plane into the IRS building there was all too much sympathy for him here. I expect the same this time despite the suspected plans for IEDs to bomb the police and then bomb the subsequent funeral (which is right out of the Al Qaeda playbook, btw). I'm sure we'll have some tinfoil to imply that they were framed, and if that fails, just flat out rationalize their planned use of violence. That's the way things go here, where anger at TPTB is so blind that the ends is always seen justifying the means (and any group that classifies itself as survivalist who go prancing around the wilderness with guns is seen as "our people"--worthy of circling the wagons).



As usual, you are making assumptions about my use of tinfoil.

Can you point me a successful arrest of suspected terrorists by law enforcement in this country where there wasn't an informant involved? Did you read the indictment? You project a lot. Try thinking.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby gollum » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 13:26:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'I') am waiting for the "confidential informant" line in this story. Hope this reply doesn't make the thread go away like last time.


When Joe Stack flew his plane into the IRS building there was all too much sympathy for him here. I expect the same this time despite the suspected plans for IEDs to bomb the police and then bomb the subsequent funeral (which is right out of the Al Qaeda playbook, btw). I'm sure we'll have some tinfoil to imply that they were framed, and if that fails, just flat out rationalize their planned use of violence. That's the way things go here, where anger at TPTB is so blind that the ends is always seen justifying the means (and any group that classifies itself as survivalist who go prancing around the wilderness with guns is seen as "our people"--worthy of circling the wagons).



No sympathy here, I can't abide the stupidity of putting your plans up on the Internet or all to see. It is obvious these guys were more interested in playing for the camera then fomenting a revolution.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby mos6507 » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 15:49:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'N')o sympathy here, I can't abide the stupidity of putting your plans up on the Internet or all to see. It is obvious these guys were more interested in playing for the camera then fomenting a revolution.


So you just don't like them because they are incompetent? If they just went ahead with a successful double-bombing of the cops and the resulting funeral, you'd be high-fiving them?
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby TWilliam » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 16:07:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's all fun and games until someone blows up your family - or you.

Except of course when it's the BATF or some other alphabet soup bureau doing the blowing up/shooting. Then it's still ok...
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby Ludi » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 16:29:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's all fun and games until someone blows up your family - or you.

Except of course when it's the BATF or some other alphabet soup bureau doing the blowing up/shooting. Then it's still ok...



It is to you? No wonder I think you are unpleasant.

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Re: FBI Raids

Postby gollum » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 19:00:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'N')o sympathy here, I can't abide the stupidity of putting your plans up on the Internet or all to see. It is obvious these guys were more interested in playing for the camera then fomenting a revolution.


So you just don't like them because they are incompetent? If they just went ahead with a successful double-bombing of the cops and the resulting funeral, you'd be high-fiving them?


No but it sounded provocative. Personally I think they're a bunch of nut bags with all this end of the world crap, but I sure share their anger and frustration with what passes for leadership in this country, What I don't share with the militia types is the obsession with the president, and now health care. I also think there is a time to be violent in opposition to government, but that's not here yet.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby TWilliam » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 20:26:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's all fun and games until someone blows up your family - or you.

Except of course when it's the BATF or some other alphabet soup bureau doing the blowing up/shooting. Then it's still ok...



It is to you? No wonder I think you are unpleasant.

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I was being sarcastic. You'd recognize that by now if you didn't generally ignore me just because we happen to disagree on certain issues.

The implied criticism is of the general attitude of acceptance of LEO abusiveness and disregard for not only civil but basic human rights, and the condemnation of those who choose to employ similar methods to defend those rights against such abuse.
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby mos6507 » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 23:00:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')I also think there is a time to be violent in opposition to government, but that's not here yet.


Oh, is that so?

Maybe you should think about what form that riteous violence would take. As long as revolution is some Thomas Paine style fantasy of fifes and drums and tri-cornered hats, then you can shoot your mouth off. But if it comes, then it would very likely look like Iraq or Pakistan, with terrorist "patriot militia" bombing restaurants and untold civilians mutilated in asymmetrical warfare. House to house gunbattles and lots of collateral damage. Think about that before you completely turn your back to the political process. Think about that as you hyperbolize about how terrible TPTB is while you enjoy your internet and your hot and cold running water and cheap beer and pizza while untold millions elsewhere don't even have a pot to piss in. Then maybe you'll be a little more hesitant to support some hypothetical future civil war in which the cure is worse than the disease.

BTW, all this extremism, especially the finger-wagging in front of the camera about how America's got a date with destiny is getting awfully familiar.

Check out this Osama Bin Laden with a ten gallon hat and a dixie twang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IC4VAQfby4

How long before some rednecks like this are sawing off policeman's heads on camera ala Daniel Pearl?
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Re: FBI Raids

Postby Nefarious » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 23:13:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hink about that as you hyperbolize about how terrible TPTB is while you enjoy your internet and your hot and cold running water and cheap beer and pizza while untold millions elsewhere don't even have a pot to piss in. Then maybe you'll be a little more hesitant to support some hypothetical future civil war in which the cure is worse than the disease.


So long as your belly was full and you had hot and cold running water and were doing a might better than the untold millions around the world, you wouldn't give a rat's a$$ what kind of government you had? That's basically what you're saying correct.
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