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Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Which best describes you?

Poll ended at Mon 12 Apr 2010, 13:08:44

Non-Doomer(thinks BAU will continue), and wants buisness as usual to continue.
3
No votes
Non-Doomer(thinks BAU will continue), but does not want buisness as usual to continue.
4
No votes
Doomer (Thinks BAU is doomed soon), but hoping somehow buisness as usual can continue.
9
No votes
Doomer(Thinks BAU is doomed soon), and does not want buisness as usual to continue.
17
No votes
 
Total votes : 33

Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby centralstump » Fri 26 Mar 2010, 23:36:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', '
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“Unfortunately, because of the reduction of influence exerted neighbors, the extended family and even the family, social control is now often more dependent on external control, than on internal self-control.

Oh, darn, he says. Since that “unfortunate” breakdown of conscience and the family structure, the social order is now dependent on “external control.” Read that, “The State.” ”

Yes, it was a very unfortunate thing that happened.


I honestly do not know where you live. I am living in a house with my wife and 3 children. My sister lives down the street with her husband and 3 children. My brother lives accross town with his wife and 4 children. My parents live here too. I look around and all I see is a strong family. On Sunday, I see the same people at church talking to god. The family seems fine to me. (too fine actually. I am a little ashamed to admit the 3 children to this crowd and my dang wife got herself knocked up again)

Religious relativism is a fundamental right listed in the Constitution of the United States. The reasoning behind it is the same reason the right to bear arms is a fundamental right of the constitution. While a government monopoly on guns is a recipe for mass slaughter, a government with a monopoly on divine right has been proven throughout history to be even worse.

Your author is missing the point. Communism and ethical relativism is not the enemy. The enemy to truth in the United States of America is the corporate controlled media. You do not need to believe in conspiracies. Truth is crazier than fiction. They are all doing it right out of front of you.

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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 27 Mar 2010, 01:14:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('centralstump', '
')The enemy to truth in the United States of America is the corporate controlled media.


Here we go with the chicken and the egg argument again...

Cheap energy is what makes BAU what it is, the consumerist, profligate wasteful, disposable society. If you cleaned up the MSM you still would not have people voluntarily powering down. It cuts to the core of our cultural DNA. So stop looking for convenient boogeymen.

And the MSM isn't as bad as people think. I could fill up your computer monitor with stuff like this. I've been collecting this stuff off TOD's drumbeat for years. The truth is out there. PEOPLE TUNE IT OUT! (You see this play out even more dramatically with climate change, which is in no way downplayed by the media, imho, a harbinger for how greater society will react when peak oil reaches the same scale of media penetration.)

But you know what, it's a lot more comforting to think that some controllable entity like the media, corporate america, or politics, is the root of all evil. If we actually had to face our greater culture as manifested by 300+million americans let alone all of the developed world, then it's intractable.
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 27 Mar 2010, 01:58:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('centralstump', 'Y')our author is missing the point. Communism and ethical relativism is not the enemy. The enemy to truth in the United States of America is the corporate controlled media. You do not need to believe in conspiracies. Truth is crazier than fiction. They are all doing it right out of front of you.

Well you will get no argument from this guy, it sounds like he is giving up on it....or taking his nest egg and going to hide under a rock? It's that renegade maverick Paul Craig Roberts. He is a very angry man - apparently?

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18339
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here was a time when the pen was mightier than the sword. That was a time when people believed in truth and regarded truth as an independent power and not as an auxiliary for government, class, race, ideological, personal, or financial interest.

Today Americans are ruled by propaganda. Americans have little regard for truth, little access to it, and little ability to recognize it.

Truth is an unwelcome entity. It is disturbing. It is off limits. Those who speak it run the risk of being branded “anti-American,” “anti-semite” or “conspiracy theorist.”

Truth is an inconvenience for government and for the interest groups whose campaign contributions control government.

Truth is an inconvenience for prosecutors who want convictions, not the discovery of innocence or guilt.

Truth is inconvenient for ideologues...

BTW, I think it's great you are with and close to a lot of family. 3 kids is a rarity these days in the first world, I came from even a larger family myself but we have lost a few over the years before their time and none of us "kids" did much procreation. I think we all suspected something a bit "funny" with the world at a young age, almost a sense that our parents made sure we thought twice about "making babies". Life was looking swell after WW2 in middle America but by the 70's things were getting strange. Don't get me wrong though, I have no problem with people having large families, I worry about all the single children growing up - can't imagine a childhood without sibilings to beat you up :lol:
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 27 Mar 2010, 02:43:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('centralstump', 'Y')our author is missing the point.

I actually picked that article as a link out of this article, they used it as an illustration for a much larger point which is kind of related to the topic of this thread, psychological and philosophical in nature that is.

http://nord.twu.net/acl/dialectic.html#four

You sound like an intelligent person and am curious to know what your take is on this? You might want to start at the top? (If you have the time - I'm sure your busy :lol: )
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 27 Mar 2010, 07:31:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')But you know what, it's a lot more comforting to think that some controllable entity like the media, corporate america, or politics, is the root of all evil.



Yep. Even though if we really wanted to we could start today to live a different way and the corporate-controlled media would have no power over us. We could start today to stop supporting corporations. It would be extremely difficult. But we don't like to admit we support corporations with almost every action we take and that if it were the most important thing to us we could change. But we're afraid of change, so we put our fear on the corporations.

(by "we" I mean myself included. I am also afraid of change)
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 27 Mar 2010, 08:13:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('centralstump', '
')I honestly do not know where you live. I am living in a house with my wife and 3 children. My sister lives down the street with her husband and 3 children. My brother lives accross town with his wife and 4 children. My parents live here too. I look around and all I see is a strong family. On Sunday, I see the same people at church talking to god.
. The family seems fine to me. (too fine actually. I am a little ashamed to admit the 3 children to this crowd and my dang wife got herself knocked up again)
!

Ahem!! And this happened without you being present and participating??? The mailman perhaps? :roll:
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby centralstump » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 12:11:04

:o
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby centralstump » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 12:12:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')But you know what, it's a lot more comforting to think that some controllable entity like the media, corporate america, or politics, is the root of all evil.



Yep. Even though if we really wanted to we could start today to live a different way and the corporate-controlled media would have no power over us. We could start today to stop supporting corporations. It would be extremely difficult. But we don't like to admit we support corporations with almost every action we take and that if it were the most important thing to us we could change. But we're afraid of change, so we put our fear on the corporations.

(by "we" I mean myself included. I am also afraid of change)



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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 09:22:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'D')oes anyone here NOT want BAU to continue? I mean seriously?

Yes, so far about half.


Yup, looks that way, which is the point you have been trying to make OF2. AP had a good poll too but this one is just asking a different question IMO. I guess I could simply have asked "Do you want BAU to continue?" Yes/No, but based on this poll I think No would win out big time.
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 10:38:57

All the available options in the pole assert the axiom that doom means some form of rapid crash. I don't accept such a conclusion, so I can only say, "none of the above".

Would I like BAU to continue, absolutely. I love my air conditioning, no sane Houstonian would ever say otherwise. BAU keeps my A/C running and my family well fed; simple as that.

Can BAU continue? And for how long?

Am I a doomer if I assert that BAU could easily continue for several more decades?

Does your answer change if I assert that the downward sliding slope that we are on has no bottom short of a near extinction bottleneck with a reasonable possibility of the end of the species homo sapiens, and that that bottleneck could easily happen this century?
Yes, we are. As we are.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby mike3 » Thu 15 Apr 2010, 17:24:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'B')ut you know what, it's a lot more comforting to think that some controllable entity like the media, corporate america, or politics, is the root of all evil. If we actually had to face our greater culture as manifested by 300+million americans let alone all of the developed world, then it's intractable.


However, if it's "intractable", then doesn't that mean "do nothing" since "nothing can be done"? If so, then how does this differ from having one's head in the sand? Knowledge is only good if it can lead to action.
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Re: Poll: What kind of doomer/non-doomer are you?

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 15 Apr 2010, 17:45:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mike3', '
')However, if it's "intractable", then doesn't that mean "do nothing" since "nothing can be done"? If so, then how does this differ from having one's head in the sand? Knowledge is only good if it can lead to action.


Then replace "can't" with "won't".

People won't do things if they don't see the benefits. Powerdown doesn't feel like it has any benefits because they can't follow the cause and effect. The tea-partiers are busy claiming AGW is a scam and calling for "drill, baby, drill" anyway. They've even burned their objections to cap and trade directly into their political platform. So to the simpletons, all problems are political. Consumption habits are off the table.
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