"Domestication (from Latin domesticus) or taming is the process whereby a population of animals or plants, through a process of selection, becomes accustomed to human provision and control. "
What's the difference between this :
Miami Seaquarium Education or Exploitation
"At the Miami Seaprison, we teach children that it is okay to break animals of that silly habit of "being wild" by kidnapping them away from their families, forcing them kicking and screaming into a chlorinated concrete tank, and making them perform ridiculous circus tricks for food (we call it training). All in the name of exploitation and profit. Oh, and education…of course"
and what we do to humans , in this "civilization" ? This Frankenstein monster, in danger to disintegrate at the first power failure : New York City blackout of 1977 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The difference is : the machine has covered the world, and most people do not know anything else, or do not have the chance to experience anything else. If they knew, or had the chance, 90 % of people would leave this madness , never to return:
Prisoner Exchange
We are told that without education we would be savages, killing each other for food... We perform all kinds of tricks to get food. We don't care why we do it, or what's the result. It's not our problem. We don't think, we don't care, we don't need to think. We are trained not to think.
China : Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China | ChinaHush
Look here :
cryptogon.com Recession Drives Surge in Youth Runaways
“We keep running into this,” said one of the boys, Clinton Anchors, 18. Over the past year, he said, he and five other teenagers living together on the streets had taken under their wings no fewer than 20 children — some as young as 12 — and taught them how to avoid predators and the police, survive the cold and find food.
What is going on there ? Is education to blame ? Crazy children helping each other. Why ? Why are they not killing each other ? I mean they are not "educated", why are they what we call "good" ?
A tribe is the natural way people organize when free. Everywhere around us - incipient tribes, groups of friends. Quickly erased by the machine. Or reduced to something with no real substance. Still - at the edge of the machine, where the system is crumbling, wild things start to grow again. Gangs. See Rio de Janeiro. Yes they do not look pretty and still have some machine inside them. Their environment - also is different. But there are some free people, thinking for themselves, and organizing to survive...
The "machine" : The Machine in our Heads--Glenn Parton
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From "Columbus and other cannibals":
"The Pawnee : They were a well-disciplined people, maintaining public order under many trying circumstances. And yet they had none of the power mechanisms that we consider essential to a well-ordered life. No orders were ever issued...Time after time I tried to find a case of orders given and there were none. Gradually I began to realize that democracy is a very personal thing which like charity, begins at home. Basically it means not being coerced and having no need to coerce anyone else. The Pawnee learned this way of living in the earliest beginning of his life. In the detailed events of every day as a child, he began his development as a disciplined and free man or as a women who felt her dignity and her independence to be inviolate"
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"The Creeks are just honest, liberal and hospitable to strangers; considerate, loving and affectionate to their wives and relations; fond of their children; industrious, frugal, temperate and persevering; charitable and forbearing. I have been weeks and months among them and in their towns, and never observed the least sign of contention or wrangling: never saw an instance of and Indian beating his wife, or even reproving her in anger. In this case they stand as examples of reproof to the most civilized nations . . . for indeed their wives merit their esteem and the most gentle treatment, they being industrious, frugal, loving and affectionate . . .Their internal police and family economy. . .incontrovertibly place those people in an illustrious point of view: their liberality, intimacy and friendly intercourse with one another, without any restraint of ceremonious formality; as if they were even insensible of the use of necessity of associating the passions of affections of avarice, ambition or covetousness. . . How are we to account for their excellent policy in civil government; it cannot derive its influence from coercive laws, for they have no such artificial system."
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Domesticating humans
Domesticating humans
by paimei01 » Wed 17 Mar 2010, 03:01:52
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One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
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Re: Domesticating humans
by paimei01 » Wed 17 Mar 2010, 07:54:02
"No aquarium, no tank in a marine land, however spacious it may be, can begin to duplicate the conditions of the sea. And no dolphin who inhabits one of those aquariums or one of those marine lands can be considered normal."
"There is as much educational benefit in studying dolphins in captivity as there would be in studying human beings by only observing prisoners in solitary confinement."
Jacques Yves Cousteau
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Replace dolphins with "humans" above. Do free humans do what we do ? Our crazy behavior ? With a few "free" days a year ? No - because they have direct access to food. They don't need to perform tricks. We have all the food in the world, but we are slaves. There is no "We".
Even the gangs that appear - they are not like the tribes in the past. No direct access to food. They depend on the system.
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter5-5.php
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')To participate in our society's depredations is an indignity. A corporate executive recently confessed to me that his job consisted of lying to the customer; another that his job consisted of frightening customers into accepting digital security products that they really didn't need. An elite lawyer described his job as, "I take money from one rich son-of-a-bitch and give it to another rich son-of-a-bitch." Part of my job at Penn State is to pass judgment on students by issuing them a grade. To be sure, there are many people fortunate enough to have interesting jobs, creative jobs, perhaps even meaningful jobs, but even if you love your work, what do you have to put up with in order to do it? Indignity is hard to avoid when our whole economy revolves around the creation and fulfillment of phony needs.
"There is as much educational benefit in studying dolphins in captivity as there would be in studying human beings by only observing prisoners in solitary confinement."
Jacques Yves Cousteau
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Replace dolphins with "humans" above. Do free humans do what we do ? Our crazy behavior ? With a few "free" days a year ? No - because they have direct access to food. They don't need to perform tricks. We have all the food in the world, but we are slaves. There is no "We".
Even the gangs that appear - they are not like the tribes in the past. No direct access to food. They depend on the system.
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter5-5.php
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')To participate in our society's depredations is an indignity. A corporate executive recently confessed to me that his job consisted of lying to the customer; another that his job consisted of frightening customers into accepting digital security products that they really didn't need. An elite lawyer described his job as, "I take money from one rich son-of-a-bitch and give it to another rich son-of-a-bitch." Part of my job at Penn State is to pass judgment on students by issuing them a grade. To be sure, there are many people fortunate enough to have interesting jobs, creative jobs, perhaps even meaningful jobs, but even if you love your work, what do you have to put up with in order to do it? Indignity is hard to avoid when our whole economy revolves around the creation and fulfillment of phony needs.
All the "ideologies" that try to "make people happy", capitalism, communism, all the "isms", depend on people with no direct access to the basics of life. So they can be caught in the system, made to do stuff they don't care about - just to survive. All this because we think we need "ideology" to live and be happy. We can be happy, the same way a free dolphin is happy, he needs no "ideology". He has no tricks to perform.
What do free people do, in the "wild" ? Free people have time to live, paint, sing, dance, explore, got to war, sit on the mountain and seek visions. Free people are spiritual creatures.
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One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
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Re: Domesticating humans
by Homesteader » Wed 17 Mar 2010, 08:34:22
Great posts paimei01.
"The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…"
Sir Winston Churchill
Beliefs are what people fall back on when the facts make them uncomfortable.
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Beliefs are what people fall back on when the facts make them uncomfortable.
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Re: Domesticating humans
by pablonite » Wed 17 Mar 2010, 11:14:57
For sure, I think we are changing...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8483
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')arwin's fingerprints can be found all over the human genome. A detailed look at human DNA has shown that a significant percentage of our genes have been shaped by natural selection in the past 50,000 years, probably in response to aspects of modern human culture such as the emergence of agriculture and the shift towards living in densely populated settlements...
...Moyzis speculates that we may have similarly "domesticated" ourselves with the emergence of modern civilisation.
"One of the major things that has happened in the last 50,000 years is the development of culture," he says. "By so radically and rapidly changing our environment through our culture, we've put new kinds of selection [pressures] on ourselves."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8483
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')arwin's fingerprints can be found all over the human genome. A detailed look at human DNA has shown that a significant percentage of our genes have been shaped by natural selection in the past 50,000 years, probably in response to aspects of modern human culture such as the emergence of agriculture and the shift towards living in densely populated settlements...
...Moyzis speculates that we may have similarly "domesticated" ourselves with the emergence of modern civilisation.
"One of the major things that has happened in the last 50,000 years is the development of culture," he says. "By so radically and rapidly changing our environment through our culture, we've put new kinds of selection [pressures] on ourselves."
Evolution or domestication? I'll go with domestication, the technocrats are busy building the global electronic plantation - it should be interesting to see where it goes...
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Re: Domesticating humans
by Sixstrings » Wed 17 Mar 2010, 15:55:02
Thought-provoking post, paimei01.
I like the spirit of your message, but to play Devil's advocate I'll counter some points:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll the "ideologies" that try to "make people happy", capitalism, communism, all the "isms", depend on people with no direct access to the basics of life. So they can be caught in the system, made to do stuff they don't care about - just to survive.
I like the spirit of your message, but to play Devil's advocate I'll counter some points:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll the "ideologies" that try to "make people happy", capitalism, communism, all the "isms", depend on people with no direct access to the basics of life. So they can be caught in the system, made to do stuff they don't care about - just to survive.
The goal of civilization was never to give most people a reason to be "happy." If anything, living in crowded conditions is highly stressful -- it's no wonder more "primitive" tribal societies are happier. This small-scale, tribal living is actually how we're evolutionarily designed to live. And so, since the times of the first great cities and Hammurabi's Code, civilized humanity's complex "manner of living" is really all about crowd control.
The fact is that in terms of evolution, our species is at a crossroads. For the last 6,000 odd years, we've been practicing life not as tribal groups, but something more like the "hive mind" of various insect species. Of course, worker bees and worker ants have had much more time to adjust and naturally evolve into those roles. But this kind of living is still new for us as a species, and so our true nature chafes against the restraints of life as a "worker bee," a cog in the great mechanized Collective.
Of course, we are vastly more complex than bees and ants. We actually lead dual lives, one as free thinking individuals, and another as a cog in the vast machine of consumerist civilization. I would say though that the forces of conformity and uniformity are increasingly stifling the individual. These days, a lot of our "individualism" was actually branded, packaged and sold to us in the first place. Think of it this way, if you really were such an individual, how can you be in so many Facebook groups? And the clothes most people wear, they all have labels on them which are essentially identity brands. We are what we wear, we are who we work for, we are the stuff we own -- these are the measure of our identity.
This is nothing new, of course. It's always been the case that individuals must sacrifice their individuality so that the group as a whole can operate. These basic group dynamics are present in even small tribal groups. But the larger the group gets (society), the more individuality must be sacrificed. That's why, in our modern era, we're so viscerally feeling the spiritual crush of our inner selves. We're living in a global society now, new world order and globalist mega-corp capitalism and all that. So the suppression of our individuality is very noticeable now, as larger societies require ever more conformity in order to function. And really, conforming is never much fun is it? That's why we're unhappy, we feel such intense societal pressure to conform to the machine.
Where you and I differ is in the value judgement -- I don't see small tribal societies as particularly superior, even if we'd all be happier living that way. As organisms our ultimate prerogative is survival and procreation, not happiness. Historically, large societies have always defeated smaller ones. So while you may be happier with the Native American tribal style of life, the fact remains that evolution has spoken and that miserable English "manner of living" handedly won the contest.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat do free people do, in the "wild" ? Free people have time to live, paint, sing, dance, explore, got to war, sit on the mountain and seek visions. Free people are spiritual creatures.
To be fair, civilized people still do all those things. We just have a lot less time with which to do it, and the Machine seems to prefer we spend that little free time sitting at home in front of the TV or ranting on internet forums.
But, you can free yourself if you so choose -- if you live in a free country and aren't financially destitute, nobody is stopping you from singing if you want to, or dancing, or painting, or exploring, or mountain-top sitting, or if you're American we always have some war going on so you can even do that if it's your thing.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o participate in our society's depredations is an indignity. A corporate executive recently confessed to me that his job consisted of lying to the customer; another that his job consisted of frightening customers into accepting digital security products that they really didn't need. An elite lawyer described his job as, "I take money from one rich son-of-a-bitch and give it to another rich son-of-a-bitch."
I spent a lot of years in sales, and this always bothered me. It still bothers me, that so much of our society and what we do with our lives involves deceiving and cheating each other. There's just so much BS in our society now, everything is a sell-job, a scam, a ponzi, a talking point, a meme. But on the other hand, I guess it's always been that way so what am I bitching about? If you look back at even Victorian-era advertisements, you'll see that all this BS and conning and scamming has been with us for a very long time.
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