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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby copious.abundance » Tue 09 Mar 2010, 23:05:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow can they know that?

They can't "know" it, it is a forecast. Just like future oil production. :razz:
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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby sparky » Wed 10 Mar 2010, 02:43:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', ' ') " And Australia. Down 35% "

where and when did you heard this one , there was no mention of it here in the papers production was up but we exported even more

from this month WASDE link
..............................beginning.prod......import..feed....total...exports..end.
..............................stocks.................................................................stocks
Australia 2007/08 :...3.95.....13.57......0.12.....3.50....6.50....7.49....3.65
Australia 2008/09 :...3.65.....20.94......0.13.....3.75....6.85...14.7.....3.14

world production is holding the line ,so far but a bad northern season can whip out the ending stocks in a year that's what happened in 2006/2007

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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby Pretorian » Wed 10 Mar 2010, 11:14:07

there are mountains of food in the world, only a lazy doomer who is holding tight to his rosy glasses doesnt notice it.
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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby hillsidedigger » Wed 10 Mar 2010, 11:24:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow can they know that?

They can't "know" it, it is a forecast. Just like future oil production. :razz:


The world is also being predicted to be burning 50% more each each year 30 years from now.
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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby mos6507 » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 00:14:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', '
')The world is also being predicted to be burning 50% more each each year 30 years from now.


Al Bartlett's lecture about the final acts of the yeast in the petri dish is instructive.
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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby sparky » Thu 11 Mar 2010, 02:58:33

The end stocks trend is interesting
that's the amount left in storage when the new harvest roll in ,
it is a bit muddled by the north hemisphere south hemisphere phase shift
and a rather broad spread of harvest from Texas to the Volga lands
the grain race also matter , some are late growers

there is usually from two to three months stocks in hand ,
it's difficult to have much more , storage is wasteful and expensive

recently there have been a few close shave
1976 was a disaster ,
the old USSR had to eat crow to get grain from the U.S. , they were desperate
2006 was very bad ,
a lousy harvest in Australia, Argentina because of drought and a pathetic one
in Europe because of rain

On top when there is a squeeze , price shoot up and farmers rejoice ,
they put plenty of acreage to wheat for thew next planting
only to see the prices drop like stones

in disgust they switch to a better crop ,
a few year later, a bad season send everybody on the merry go round again

the trend is not so good , the years of plenty are getting scarcer ,
while during a normal year, end stocks tend to shrink
this happen over four five years , consumption increase steadily
while growing play catch up in step fashion

the catch up is getting rarer and weaker every cycle
before 2000 million tons was a marvel

now it's the baseline .

increasing food production by 50% is , carefully considered ,
quite impossible with the present system
a truly bad set of season , like the 1315 , would be a disaster

we are at the mercy of the weather ,
but then again farmers have always known this

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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby copious.abundance » Wed 12 May 2010, 21:37:22

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Rice: record production?
May 12, 2010 8:51 AM, By Elton Robinson, Farm Press Editorial Staff

If USDA projections hold true, the 2010 U.S. rice crop would be 11 percent larger than the 2009-10 crop and 5 percent above the previous record in 2004-05.

U.S. rice producers are expected to produce a record crop of 244 million hundredweight in 2010, based on the largest estimated acreage since 1999 and a projected near-record average rice yield of 7,202 pounds per acre, according to USDA’s May 11 Crop Production Report and World Supply and Demand Estimate.

If USDA projections hold true, the crop would be 11 percent larger than the 2009-10 crop and 5 percent above the previous record in 2004-05.

While world demand for rice remains very strong, production in other exporting countries is expected to be large as well, meaning export competition will be greater, USDA says.

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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby sparky » Thu 13 May 2010, 06:41:37

On the subject of fertilizer price , an important component of agro-farming business

http://farmtalknewspaper.com/areafarmne ... rices-down

it state than fertilizer price is rather down and steady
the last WASDE report seems to indicate a massive wheat harvest ,
Aussie farmers are grumbling it might not be worth harvesting ,
rather letting the cattle in and using the fields as pastures

Ominously World consumption keep rising faster still ,

Australia , Thailand , France , the U.S. of A. Canada and Argentina produce 80%
of all the grains exports traded ,\

Check the weather reports .
harvest are just hopes until harvested
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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby copious.abundance » Fri 14 May 2010, 15:49:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', 'O')n the subject of fertilizer price , an important component of agro-farming business

http://farmtalknewspaper.com/areafarmne ... rices-down

I should bump up a few threads from a couple years ago where we were told by doomers that fertilizer prices were going up forever and blah blah blah.
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
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http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby jbrovont » Fri 14 May 2010, 15:57:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Total grain crop failure in Q1 2010?
May 35, 2019 13:51 AM, By Olaf Einder, Nonews Press Editorial Staff

I love how this just smacks of credibility when I increase the font size. If the world is having a glut of food production, why is my cereal so damn expensive?

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Re: Spreading World Food Abundance

Postby americandream » Fri 14 May 2010, 17:47:56

Two points:

1 The rich global elite (and I mean old elites such as the European blue bloods and not the jonny come lately riff raffs in the colonies) aren't going to transition into any kumbaya social economy that impacts on their profits. They fougtht tooth and nail to destroy communal alternatives at a high cost to all of us. So bubble capitalism is here to stay unless someone can devise a kumbaya alternative that keeps the throw away bottom line growing and helps the whales, pandas and plastic island poisoned dolphins.

2 True, capitalism is here for a while yet (I have never subscribed to a sudden crash scenario, rather a slow slide into mayhem). However, I would not gloat too loudly for the reason above. They will take you to the edge and push you over whilst they feast on the earth's carcass, guaranteed.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', 'O')n the subject of fertilizer price , an important component of agro-farming business

http://farmtalknewspaper.com/areafarmne ... rices-down

I should bump up a few threads from a couple years ago where we were told by doomers that fertilizer prices were going up forever and blah blah blah.
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Venezuela oil workers are dying of hunger – a military coup

Postby AdamB » Sun 04 Mar 2018, 22:13:28

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Starving Venezuelan oil workers are growing too weak for heavy labor. They are too fatigued to act quickly which leads to more fatal accidents. Crude oil makes up about 95% of Venezuela’s exports. The country has no other source of foreign income. Nextbigfuture predicts that the Maduro government will be overthrown in a military coup by the end of 2018. North Korea has terrible but stable conditions. Venezuela conditions continue to worsen at an unsustainable level. Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year and almost 90 percent now live in poverty, according to a new university study on the impact of a devastating economic crisis and food shortages. Prices in Venezuela rose 4,068 percent in the 12 months to the end of January, according to estimates by the country’s opposition-led National Assembly, broadly in line with


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