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The Ik-another perspective.

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The Ik-another perspective.

Unread postby Annatar » Sat 07 May 2005, 12:32:38

A few months ago, there was a discussion about the Ik, in which an anthropologist wrote how they lived on the edge of starvation, abandoned all morality and social structure and took the "every man for himself" mentality to the extreme.

Another perspective is found on http://home1.gte.net/hoffmanr/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')overty-stricken "dogs", or the head of a great migration from ancient Egypt, land of the Pharaohs? Skillful cultivators from time immemorial, or vagabond hunter-gatherers? Wanton adulterers and wife-beaters, or a society with exemplary marriages, remaining faithful for life? Heartless survivalists who turn children out to fend for themselves at three years of age and routinely abandon the elderly to starve, or orderly, cooperative people who treat elders with respect and make sure that they are fed before younger people? Incorrigible thieves, or honest farmers and faithful taxpayers? Wheeling-dealing manipulators of neighboring tribes, or plundered victims in nearly every dispute between those same tribes? A collection of people devoid of any kind of social behavior and common ritual, or a rich culture with a variety of cultural beliefs and practices?



It all depends on whom you listen to and what you set out to find. When the late Colin M. Turnbull ventured among the Ik (pronounced "EEK") people of northeastern Uganda in the mid-1960s, he frankly admitted that "if I brought any attitudes with me, enthusiasm was not one of them" (Turnbull 1972:16). Regarding the Ik as a "last-ditch stand not to lose an opportunity to get into the field" (Turnbull 1972:15-16), the British-born anthropologist set out expecting the worst and decided he had found exactly that, reporting it all in 1972 in what would become a best-seller even outside his field, The Mountain People. Since that time, the book has gone through a number of printings and has been used as collateral reading in numerous anthropology courses. Unfortunately, it has also been taken at face value by every reference work I have read which has any entry on the Ik (admittedly there are few), for all of them repeat in one manner or another the observations which Turnbull first made in The Mountain People. Consequently, it seems as though Turnbull and his viewpoint have become as firmly associated with the Ik as has Margaret Mead (whose praise of the book was quoted on the cover of the 1987 Touchstone edition) with the Samoans. I have even found Ugandans who live far from the Ik and have never themselves met a member of this culture to be less than tolerant of them and their supposedly tarnished reputation; for instance, a security guard at Entebbe International Airport, upon learning that I was doing research among the Ik, smirked and replied, "Oh, so you went to visit the naked savages, eh?"


I wonder whether its possible for humans to live totally selfish lifestyles and not die out.

Other perspectives of the "The Mountain People" can be found at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... 6?v=glance

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is a profoundly disturbing book. The author's reflections on what he saw of a completely disintegrated society - the Ik people of Africa are chilling. The ultimate implication is that human nature is not so tightly bound to inherent goodness as one might wish to think. The newspapers daily play out isolated, but ever more frequent stories of the Ik in our midst ... of the Ik within us all.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile documenting the starvation and subsequent deaths of those around him, the author was careful to keep his food from being stolen, eating as quietly as humanly possible behind the closed curtains of his vehicle. He is appalled by the lack of caring among starving people, and describes many incidents of extreme apathy. But the worse apathy was his very own--why did he stay there for 2 years watching people starve to death instead of trying to do something about it--like letting the world know ? How can you eat comfortably inside your vehicle while knowing the pain of those just feet way? The author's "research" seemed to be all that mattered to him.


It seems that the author became an Ik himself.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') would have therefore given the book four or five stars if not for the last chapter, where Turnbull becomes even more immoral than the Ik in his suggestion that they be dispersed among other neighboring ethnic groups so that they assimilate and lose their Ik identity. This is nothing less than a call for genocide, which is remarkable coming from anyone but even more so from an anthropologist, a person who is trained to respect other cultures. Regardless of how despicable Ik society may have become, Turnbull has no right to claim that they are beyond rescue, that reintroduction into their former lands or some such plan might rescue their society and reinstall a sense of morality.

Looking at the book again after finishing the last chapter, I found some of it even more amazing than the conclusion. For instance, in his acknowledgements Turnbull thanked the Ik for treating him as one of their own, 'which is about as bad as anyone can hope to be treated.' Where he gets this idea is beyond me - not only did the Ik treat him with far more respect than the Nazis did the Jews (to bring up one of many examples), they treated him with more respect than he would treat them!
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