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Re: Peak oil is over but present lows hurt: Jum'ah

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 13:10:44

shortonsense said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat hysteria was kind of cool....do you think we can get a decent round of Doomerish going again this time, or does the "crying wolf" part of it take some of the fun out of the idea?


Sure, the world's equity markets have lost $22 trillion in the last six months, the banking system is insolvent, world trade has come to a halt (see BDI) the credit markets have crashed and the $2.6 trillion being pumped into the system by the world's CB is having a zero (if not negative) effect.

Further, the world's property markets are avalanching downward from Dubai to Moscow to NYC. GDP is caving in for every nation on earth, commodity prices have fallen in half this year, and bankruptcies are skyrocketing for individuals and business. Unemployment is becoming endemic world wide.

Basically, we are entering the worst deflationary depression in modern history. This all has to do with fossil fuels' declining energy contribution which is concept that is unconceivable to 99.9% of the mathematically illiterate population.

As the world's shipping fleets are turned into scrap and the selves of stores lay barren, there will be plenty of DOOM to go around. But the fun part is now taking place; suffering fools their absurd, ridiculous denial.




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Re: Peak oil is over but present lows hurt: Jum'ah

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 21:13:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]shortonsense said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat hysteria was kind of cool....do you think we can get a decent round of Doomerish going again this time, or does the "crying wolf" part of it take some of the fun out of the idea?


Sure, the world's equity markets have lost $22 trillion in the last six months, the banking system is insolvent, world trade has come to a halt (see BDI) the credit markets have crashed and the $2.6 trillion being pumped into the system by the world's CB is having a zero (if not negative) effect.


Ain't recessions a bitch? And my only comment is....what TOOK so long! If us Doomers could see it coming way in advance, ain't it amazing that the silly people running the country missed it? Maybe they aren't as smart as all them degree's might lead someone to believe!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
')Basically, we are entering the worst deflationary depression in modern history. This all has to do with fossil fuels' declining energy contribution which is concept that is unconceivable to 99.9% of the mathematically illiterate population.


Well, thats because fossil fuels didn't have near as much to do with it as stupid banking. But you keep that fossil fuel centric view, a decade from now we'll be doing this all over again during the NEXT peak oil that comes down the road.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
')As the world's shipping fleets are turned into scrap and the selves of stores lay barren, there will be plenty of DOOM to go around. But the fun part is now taking place; suffering fools their absurd, ridiculous denial.


Well, you gotta admit that denial is pretty easy, since peak oil caused shoddy lending practices a decade ago and gave us back happy motoring!
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Re: Peak oil is over but present lows hurt: Jum'ah

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 13:48:23

shortonsense said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, thats because fossil fuels didn't have near as much to do with it as stupid banking. But you keep that fossil fuel centric view, a decade from now we'll be doing this all over again during the NEXT peak oil that comes down the road.


If you have an analysis to back that claim up we would all love to see it.

In the meantime it has to be taken as your opinion; and we know that everyone has an "opinion". We also know what most of them are worth.





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Re: Peak oil is over but present lows hurt: Jum'ah

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 19:13:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]shortonsense said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, thats because fossil fuels didn't have near as much to do with it as stupid banking.


If you have an analysis to back that claim up we would all love to see it.


I think its already been discussed, and linked to.

Heres the article again if you missed it.

Wall Street-The End

Not a mention of peak oil, peak fossil fuels, peak energy, or peak anything anywhere in site. Just good, old fashioned stupidity and greed. The usual.
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Re: Peak oil is over but present lows hurt: Jum'ah

Unread postby Consensi » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 20:32:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Peak oil is over but present lows hurt: Jum'ah

Jum'ah said crude's fall has proven Saudi Arabia -- and Opec -- correct that prices were being driven by market speculators and not due to surge in demand from emerging markets (such as China and India).


Hmmm, I wonder who those dirty speculators are ????

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')"There was no shortage. Only politicians were saying it (prices rising on surging demand from emerging markets). We as businessmen and producers always said there's enough oil... Saudi Aramco always keeps 1-2 million barrels a day spare capacity.''


Of course there wasn't a shortage. Lookie here, the defense contractors are making billions in net profits in Bush's wars, so the oil companies wanted the same and they got it. Soon later the bankers wanted the same and they got it. Now the car companies are cashing in............

It's Enron all over again, only on a massively larger scale.

Dirt bag Bush said his base was the ".... have mores."

The filthy dirt bag went on to say............

"Some call you the the elite, I call you my base."

How can this happen ? We let it. There is nothing we can do about it. It is our fault.
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Re: Peak oil is over but present lows hurt: Jum'ah

Unread postby KevO » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 13:48:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('virgincrude', 's')hortonsense:

"Seriously, pretending to win an argument which ISN'T an argument doesn't work for me...lets get on with the real work...now that peak oil is over, and we've seen how powerful the forces of modern demand destruction are, lets get with the program reinforcing what is obviously a wonderful thing...non consumption!
OK, you first. Get rid of that computer on which you type. Unplug it so that you enter your beloved non-consumption state.


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