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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 11:38:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Jones is just giving coverage to the unregulated rampaging laissez faire thugocracy by blaming his imaginary cabals and ignoring anything remotely connected to who runs things.


What I keep hammering on about is that emphasizing "who runs things" by itself is a distraction from the complicity of general society to the way things are. If you want your happy meals and plastic pumpkins, this is what you wind up with, I'm afraid. You can't have all the benefits of BAU without the downsides. It's this aspect that Alex Jones can't see. It's all about raising J6P on some martyrlike pedestal. We're all innocent victims. BS.


More drivel from someone who hasn't seen the documentary but rambles on like an internet 5-star general.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 11:39:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'G')otta agree with Mos on pretty much everything he's said in this thread.


Have you seen the documentary either?
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 11:41:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'H')e's being himself and making a living. And he got real wise about which issues he talks about and how he presents them.


That is why you have to view everything he says with a skeptical mind and fact check all of it. Take NOTHING at face value.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 11:41:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')s far as I'm concerned, the main battleground for collapse is psychological.


Looks like the battle ground is in your internet connection.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 14:53:00

If the world could just tap into the amount of energy Jotapay spends to run defense for Alex Jones, we'd be saved...
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 15:23:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')More drivel from someone who hasn't seen the documentary but rambles on like an internet 5-star general.


I did see it, and the crux of it had to do with tying it in with climategate and a Hugo Drax "depopulation plan". It's the same reheated BS from his older stuff. I'm not giving him a free pass on the AGW and peak-oil debunkery just because he takes easy potshots at banksters. He's basically a borderline cult-leader.

If the guy had any balls he'd show up at an ASPO convention or climate talk and put his tinfoil up against the academics. Instead he uses manipulative videos to brainwash the public.

Perhaps the most effective brainwashing is to (ironically) warn people about brainwashing. You're more apt to trust someone who is telling you you're being brainwashed, and in so doing, open yourself up to just another flavor of brainwashing!

Why does this make my blood boil so much? Because I went to film school and I _know_ how powerful the medium is in getting people to believe one thing or another.

The barrier to entry with "documentaries" has been lowered so much that movies like this can be put together on a shoestring, and since they give off a professional vibe, people are apt to buy into them, not realizing that this is not serious or balanced research, but a slanted screed.

You want to tell me the dollar's gonna collapse? That's no news item. That's the McGuffin, the hook, the kernel of truth. But you want to take that and somehow use that to draw some bullsh*t connection to a climategate or genocide conspiracy and you've just shot your credibility to hell.

You think Al Gore has ulterior motives? What about Alex Jones? What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

There's far too much monologuing going on by demagogues on each side of the issue and not enough direct confrontation. It's far more effective for guys like Alex Jones or Michael Moore for that matter to present their side of the story in media form. It's a controlled environment in which counterpoint is not a threat.

People are either preaching to the converted or merely talking past eachother with ad homs.

This is the perfect atmosphere for society to break apart into a dark age of self-interest, ignorance, and superstition, the demon-haunted world that Carl Sagan warned us about.

It's my opinion that Alex Jones acolytes will be the final disposition of the defenders of BAU after it's no longer fashionable to support the banksters or politicians. The Tea Party types will carry the torch for the tattered american dream while the rest of us will realize that it can't be restored, and even if it could, maybe it isn't all it's cracked up to be!
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 15:51:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')his is the perfect atmosphere for society to break apart into a dark age of self-interest, ignorance, and superstition, the demon-haunted world that Carl Sagan warned us about.

It's my opinion that Alex Jones acolytes will be the final disposition of the defenders of BAU after it's no longer fashionable to support the banksters or politicians. The Tea Party types will carry the torch for the tattered american dream while the rest of us will realize that it can't be restored, and even if it could, maybe it isn't all it's cracked up to be!

And when BAU dies, if my doomstead isn't successful, I'll form a raiding force like Toecutter to see how much loot & women I can carry off. I wonder if the Alex Jones and Tea Party people will long for the good ole' days of the conspiracy-riddled illuminati government when the Toecutters steal their food, carry their women off and burn their houses down?
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 18:12:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') did see it, and the crux of it had to do with tying it in with climategate and a Hugo Drax "depopulation plan". It's the same reheated BS from his older stuff. I'm not giving him a free pass on the AGW and peak-oil debunkery just because he takes easy potshots at banksters. He's basically a borderline cult-leader.


I'm glad you evidently saw it. We can hopefully discuss the content and steer clear of ad homs. Climate gate hadn't happened before the documentary was released, Mos. Did you mean AGW? Alex's message never changes. It's very on topic for the events that have transpired since the economic collapse. Would you rather he flip flop? I've said it to you before, I completely disagree with Alex's position on Peak Oil. But I think this is a case of not throwing out the baby with the bath water.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')f the guy had any balls he'd show up at an ASPO convention or climate talk and put his tinfoil up against the academics. Instead he uses manipulative videos to brainwash the public.


He is a journalist, Mos. Why don't you debate a surgeon about back yard gardens? Doesn't make sense, does it? It is his guests who are the experts, not him. That's illogical of you to say that.

His manipulative videos that show government report after news article after think tank paper on screen? Manipulating people with facts, Mos? How does that work? Which facts were the manipulative ones from the documentary?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'P')erhaps the most effective brainwashing is to (ironically) warn people about brainwashing. You're more apt to trust someone who is telling you you're being brainwashed, and in so doing, open yourself up to just another flavor of brainwashing!

Why does this make my blood boil so much? Because I went to film school and I _know_ how powerful the medium is in getting people to believe one thing or another.


Then you know that all media has the power to influence the mind. I don't disagree that Jones knows what he is doing. He has a message/agenda and he's not that bad at pushing it. But you could say that about any effective media outlet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')he barrier to entry with "documentaries" has been lowered so much that movies like this can be put together on a shoestring, and since they give off a professional vibe, people are apt to buy into them, not realizing that this is not serious or balanced research, but a slanted screed.


It cost $200,000 for this documentary, evidently. It's not that bad for not coming from a big studio. I see this as something to rejoice in, that common people can create documentaries about issues to show to other citizens. Citizens can then get ideas and do research on their own. Like I said, I only think about 80% of Fall of the Republic is accurate. Also, if you think only media mega-corporations are the only ones who should be able to release documentaries for public consumption, then I think you are very, very misguided with fascist views like those.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou want to tell me the dollar's gonna collapse?

No, not really.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')hat's no news item. That's the McGuffin, the hook, the kernel of truth. But you want to take that and somehow use that to draw some bullsh*t connection to a climategate or genocide conspiracy and you've just shot your credibility to hell.

Not sure where you've gone off to here.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou think Al Gore has ulterior motives? What about Alex Jones? What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Of course. That should be obvious. So do you, Mos. We all have motives.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'P')eople are either preaching to the converted or merely talking past eachother with ad homs.

That's where I think you're wrong with this documentary, specifically. This is a very well made documentary that crosses over right into the mainstream. There is virtually ZERO "tin foil" in it. For those who are aren't awake to what is happening to our country or just get their version of reality from CNN, this is a very approachable explanation with dozens and dozens of relevant clips, reports and articles that the mainstream media does their best to ignore.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')his is the perfect atmosphere for society to break apart into a dark age of self-interest, ignorance, and superstition, the demon-haunted world that Carl Sagan warned us about.

Or what other people would call, "The Enlightened Age of Liberty for the Common Person". To someone who loves the thieving government controlling the common man, I can see how this would scare you, Mos. All those free people who may go anywhere and pursue Liberty must be unnerving.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')t's my opinion that Alex Jones acolytes will be the final disposition of the defenders of BAU after it's no longer fashionable to support the banksters or politicians. The Tea Party types will carry the torch for the tattered american dream while the rest of us will realize that it can't be restored, and even if it could, maybe it isn't all it's cracked up to be!

Time will tell. Education like what is in Fall of the Republic is not a bad thing, IMO. To suggest otherwise shows a personal, subjective agenda.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 18:13:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')his is the perfect atmosphere for society to break apart into a dark age of self-interest, ignorance, and superstition, the demon-haunted world that Carl Sagan warned us about.

It's my opinion that Alex Jones acolytes will be the final disposition of the defenders of BAU after it's no longer fashionable to support the banksters or politicians. The Tea Party types will carry the torch for the tattered american dream while the rest of us will realize that it can't be restored, and even if it could, maybe it isn't all it's cracked up to be!

And when BAU dies, if my doomstead isn't successful, I'll form a raiding force like Toecutter to see how much loot & women I can carry off. I wonder if the Alex Jones and Tea Party people will long for the good ole' days of the conspiracy-riddled illuminati government when the Toecutters steal their food, carry their women off and burn their houses down?


That's melodramatic of you. How about the Liberties citizens enjoyed in 1785?
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 22:09:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')Alex's message never changes.


Of course not, because he doesn't pay attention to the data. It's dogma.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')I completely disagree with Alex's position on Peak Oil. But I think this is a case of not throwing out the baby with the bath water.


Considering the high stakes of continued PO denial, selectively endorsing him is counter-productive to say the least.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')He is a journalist


He's not a journalist. He's an activist perhaps, in a Lyndon Larouche sense of the word.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')Which facts were the manipulative ones from the documentary?


How about the end conclusion about the global warming/genocide cabal? That's ALL conjecture put forth as fact.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')Then you know that all media has the power to influence the mind. I don't disagree that Jones knows what he is doing. He has a message/agenda and he's not that bad at pushing it. But you could say that about any effective media outlet.


Here is an example of what I think is a more balanced, less sensationalistic piece.

Here is another one.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')common people


Alex Jones is about as much of a common person as Rush Limbaugh or Howard Stern.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')media mega-corporations are the only ones who should be able to release documentaries for public consumption, then I think you are very, very misguided with fascist views like those.


What I'm saying is that mega-corporations aren't the only ones capable of distorting facts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')There is virtually ZERO "tin foil" in it.


You're one to judge? He saves most of the tinfoil for the 2nd act, but it's chock full of it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')For those who are aren't awake to what is happening to our country or just get their version of reality from CNN, this is a very approachable explanation with dozens and dozens of relevant clips, reports and articles that the mainstream media does their best to ignore.


It's called speculation. You don't seem to know the difference between speculation and facts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')Education like what is in Fall of the Republic is not a bad thing, IMO.


Educating people to deny global warming and shrug off overpopulation?
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 22:11:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')That's melodramatic of you. How about the Liberties citizens enjoyed in 1785?


Like enjoying the benefit of slaves? Women's suffrage? Treatment of native americans? The early era of deforesting america's forests in favor of european agriculture? Stop idealizing the colonial era. It has its dark side.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Sat 27 Feb 2010, 01:10:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')That's melodramatic of you. How about the Liberties citizens enjoyed in 1785?


Like enjoying the benefit of slaves? Women's suffrage? Treatment of native americans? The early era of deforesting america's forests in favor of european agriculture? Stop idealizing the colonial era. It has its dark side.


You know full well what I mean, Mos. You can twist it all you want with wrongs of the time (which happen all the time, like the Patriot Act now from the government you love and support) but all it means is that you can spin an argument.

Let me do you one better. How about the your body scanner machines? How about your Mossad killing people in any country they see fit? How about your federal reserve bailing out banks and making sure they are flush with cash before they turn off the money press and crushing deflation hits in the next 18 months? How about the machine gunning of the USS Liberty from Israel that you blindly support, Mos? All that's just fine with you, eh? You love more government to control all those filthy common people out there.

Your priorities are really screwed up, Mos. If you want to complain about deforestation, Easter Island, Lebanon or Afghanistan are much better suited places for your ire. But you really aren't objective, are you? You are in full-on Gaia-worship, which is a sick anti-human cult.

Admit it, you would feel better if all humans were dead.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Sat 27 Feb 2010, 01:31:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '1'). Of course not, because he doesn't pay attention to the data. It's dogma.
2. Considering the high stakes of continued PO denial, selectively endorsing him is counter-productive to say the least.
3. He's not a journalist. He's an activist perhaps, in a Lyndon Larouche sense of the word.
4. How about the end conclusion about the global warming/genocide cabal? That's ALL conjecture put forth as fact.
5. Here is an example of what I think is a more balanced, less sensationalistic piece.
6. Alex Jones is about as much of a common person as Rush Limbaugh or Howard Stern.
7. What I'm saying is that mega-corporations aren't the only ones capable of distorting facts.
8. You're one to judge? He saves most of the tinfoil for the 2nd act, but it's chock full of it.
9. It's called speculation. You don't seem to know the difference between speculation and facts.
10. Educating people to deny global warming and shrug off overpopulation?


1. Dogma? How about you look at the dozens of sources provided before you call something the equivalent of religion? Do you have ONE THING to say which comments on the FACTS he lays out in the documentary??
2. I read your posts and agree with them sometimes. What does that make me, the next [/color=red]Expletive deleted.[/color] Buddha? Are you so shallow then that you cannot see the truth in it? It appears so. You have no ability to see others for what they are or acknowledge their differing views as valid.
3. Define journalist then.
4. Um, no it's not. Do you want the statements by the EU, Al Gore and others where they state they will institute a world government through an environmental regime? Or are you just that ideological where you blind yourself to statements by others? This did hapopen and was said, Mos, no matter how much Expletive deleted. you type above and want to believe to the contrary.
5. ABC, the mainstream media which is nothing more that a public relations mouthpiece for corporations is balanced? Are you kidding me? Were you born freaking yesterday, Ad hom deleted. ? There is nothing in there which is independent of corporate control. Jesus. It's like I'm playing cards with my sister's kids.
6. Yes, I see Alex in my local Radio Shack. I see him in the grocery store. He drives a Dodge and lives in a house like mine. He's on a 5th rate radio network that has 60 affiliates. Oh sure, he's just like Rush that makes $20 million per year. Right, he's just like Rush who is given talking points by one of the world's six largest media corporations in conjunction with one of the political parties here in the USA to make sure the message is clear across the board. What in the holy hell are you talking about Mos? Where do you get this Expletive deleted. , for real? Alex, on a home made studio, is like Rush?? You really do not understand media in America if you think that. Your communications school must have been poorly staffed.
7. No Expletive deleted. . My dog can act like she didn't eat the steak off my plate. Whoop-dee-doo.
8. Document that Expletive deleted. now or you;re just slinging poo like a monkey in a zoo.
9. You are sa\ying that only MSM can provide facts here. Jesus, Mos. I never watch the MS because it's poison.
10. Not gonna argue with you there. I would have done it differently.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby gollum » Mon 01 Mar 2010, 23:23:50

Downloaded this the other day, and watching this now and it is really interesting.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 02 Mar 2010, 01:42:10

Note that rather than respond to my listed points above, Mos reported them instead for naughty words. Care to actually respond instead of running to tell teacher, Mos?
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 02 Mar 2010, 01:52:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'D')ownloaded this the other day, and watching this now and it is really interesting.


If you have a Rapidshare account, here is the entire DVD in lossless quality. It has the VOB files straight off the disk for you to re-burn new DVDs or watch on your PS3 or whatever.

http://rapid.org/board/showpost.php?p=1 ... ostcount=4
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby gollum » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 00:13:31

Some of it is pretty interesting, I have a hard time buying that the elite do not want economic growth though, or that there are no limits to growth.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 09:23:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'S')ome of it is pretty interesting, I have a hard time buying that the elite do not want economic growth though, or that there are no limits to growth.

Given that so much of the growth of the past decade went to the upper 1% of society vs the people that created the growth...

We planted the apple tree, we watered the apple tree, we harvested the apples, we baked the apple pie and now we get like 10% of the pie, because the person who got 90% of the pie "owned" the pie using money they embezzled from us earlier. Oh and if they lose their silverware to eat with, he can take our money to buy new silverware! Did I miss anything?
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 12:41:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'W')e planted the apple tree, we watered the apple tree, we harvested the apples, we baked the apple pie and now we get like 10% of the pie, because the person who got 90% of the pie "owned" the pie using money they embezzled from us earlier. Oh and if they lose their silverware to eat with, he can take our money to buy new silverware! Did I miss anything?


You sound just like Alex Jones now.
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Re: Movie: "Fall of the Republic" from Alex Jones

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 03 Mar 2010, 13:19:03

:) Unlike some, I'm not really an Alex Jones hater. I do think what he says needs to be filtered, since he seems to have a problem with the mouth-brain filter...

Listening to him with a skeptical ear is probably better than not listening at all.
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