[Carlhole]

Watch

Good quality video too. The production value is much better than Jones' other docs; the personal comments more mainstream and familiar.

I've never been huge fan of Alex Jones, but the way things have been going in the world, you really have to wonder how badly he'll turn out to be wrong...if at all. You have to wonder, "Sure! Inevitably, there will be a 'new world order'". But a new world order was probably a guaranteed by the advent of sophisticated, instantaneous global telecommunications, the internet, satellites, etc. tying everything together. So how diabolical could it be? And why should it be resisted?

Jones vision of economic slavery, slaves paying crushing taxes to an illimunati set of global overlords doesn't make any sense to me. THAT medieval-like vision has it all wrong, I reckon. But, definitely, Jones is a business and showman who concentrate on the subject of global tyranny. Right or wrong, he's putting out a more polished product these days.

The global elites are de-industrializing the planet in order to save the planet? They are deliberately going to de-populate the planet?

Sound like doomer-talk to me.

[PrestonSturges]

Ooooooooo shiny! Conservatives chalk up everything to dark satanic liberal conspiracies that saturate the internet to crowd out ..........what?

You know if Alex Jones were to talk about PNAC, CNP, Team B, The Family or some of the other organizations so beloved by insane wingnut billionaires, I might be interested. But honestly, it just looks like he is running interference for the folks from PNAC, CNP, Team B, and The Family.

If people like Jones weren;t already saturating America's drooling Expletive deleted.. with this brain rotting Expletive deleted.., the folks from CNP would have to invent Jones. Or did they?

[mos6507]

Alex Jones will attack whoever is TPTB. That's his shtick. What's implied, though, is that america has some holy paradise that we could somehow recapture if we just ate the rich and hung all politicians. The idea that there might be, you know, LIMITS TO GROWTH, need not apply. So peak oil and global warming are scams and his imaginary conspiracies to 'cull the herd' to head off overpopulation are more scary than the reality of unchecked overpopulation itself. He is the perfect example of a doomer false-prophet that merely boxes people into the anger phase of denial.

[Jotapay]

Are you just watching it, Carl?

I agree that it's a pretty good documentary. There's very little "sauce". I think Webster Tarpley, William Black and Gerald Celete were the best contributors. Max Kaiser was good but can be a bit cartoony at times.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'A')re you just watching it, Carl?

I agree that it's a pretty good documentary. There's very little "sauce". I think Webster Tarpley, William Black and Gerald Celete were the best contributors. Max Kaiser was good but can be a bit cartoony at times.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')lex Jones will attack whoever is TPTB. That's his shtick. What's implied, though, is that america has some holy paradise that we could somehow recapture if we just ate the rich and hung all politicians. The idea that there might be, you know, LIMITS TO GROWTH, need not apply. So peak oil and global warming are scams and his imaginary conspiracies to 'cull the herd' to head off overpopulation are more scary than the reality of unchecked overpopulation itself. He is the perfect example of a doomer false-prophet that merely boxes people into the anger phase of denial.

[Jotapay]

Have the three people ranting in this thread seen it? Or are you blowing smoke up everyone's Expletive deleted. ?

My dad, who has an Economics MA from the Penn State, agrees with about 80% of what is in the Fall of the Republic. He certainly isn't a conspiracy theorist. If you aren't making a complete Expletive deleted. out of yourself in public and read the newspaper, William Black is an extremely well-respected voice during this financial implosion.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') watched it for the first time the other day. I gather its been out for a while.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'H')ave the three people ranting in this thread seen it? Or are you blowing smoke up everyone's Expletive deleted.?
My dad, who has an Economics MA from the Penn State, agrees with about 80% of what is in the Fall of the Republic. He certainly isn't a conspiracy theorist. If you aren't making a complete Expletive deleted. out of yourself in public and read the newspaper, William Black is an extremely well-respected voice during this financial implosion.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') watched it for the first time the other day. I gather its been out for a while.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'H')opefully the 20% he disagrees with is the part that blames it all on the Jews.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'W')ould those be the same Jew-hating country club Republicans that reflexively support Israel?

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Jones is just giving coverage to the unregulated rampaging laissez faire thugocracy by blaming his imaginary cabals and ignoring anything remotely connected to who runs things.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Jones is just giving coverage to the unregulated rampaging laissez faire thugocracy by blaming his imaginary cabals and ignoring anything remotely connected to who runs things.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Jones is just giving coverage to the unregulated rampaging laissez faire thugocracy by blaming his imaginary cabals and ignoring anything remotely connected to who runs things.

[Narz]

Gotta agree with Mos on pretty much everything he's said in this thread.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Jones is just giving coverage to the unregulated rampaging laissez faire thugocracy by blaming his imaginary cabals and ignoring anything remotely connected to who runs things.

[mos6507]

As far as I'm concerned, the main battleground for collapse is psychological.

As I've said many times, while there is a lot of blame to go around, an emphasis on externalizing blame leads to Animal Farm scenarios of replacing one form of dysfunctionality (tyranny is too hyperbolic a word for it) with another without really getting a firm grasp of the root problem.

So the problem with Alex Jones is that it channels the populist anger without really stepping back to gain the larger perspective of why this stuff is happening. It reduces itself to a comic book plot of cookie-cutter villains executing some Austin Powers type scheme against the poor helpless masses.

This is popular because simple explanations are what people crave.

This huge gap in the "message" of someone like Alex Jones, or even Peter Schiff or Ron Paul, is why I try to throw down caltrops in front of those here who constantly promote these guys.

While he doesn't explicitly state it, there is some magical happy ending in which the proverbial villains have their heads firmly affixed on pikes and we're all driving around in cars with tailfins again. This is not the route out of BAU. It's an attempt to fashion some kind of new gilded age of BAU that everyone here should know is impossible.

But like career activists like Jesse Jackson, it's actually better for Alex if the world remains at the precipice of doom, because if these problems actually resolved themselves, he wouldn't have a career anymore.

Although I have a catchphrase in my videos "doom doesn't sell", in the form of sensationalism that Jones or Glenn Beck provide, it does sell. It sells because people don't want to reevaluate society as a whole. They want to isolate scapegoats so they can let themselves off the hook for their own failures.

In a way, these people are not so different from, let's say, an Al Sharpton type, looking to stir up racial controversy for personal gain.

They are not my doomer messiah and I really don't think they should be any doomer's messiah.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')s far as I'm concerned, the main battleground for collapse is psychological.

[rangerone314]

+2 ditto mos

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'H')opefully the 20% he disagrees with is the part that blames it all on the Jews.