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John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby deMolay » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 20:13:37

"We Are All Travellers, From The Sweet Grass To The Packing House, From Birth To Death, We Wander Between The Two Eternities". An Old Cowboy.
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby Novus » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 04:24:35

Good article that tells it how it really it is:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen the collective imagination becomes obsessed with the dream of a sudden cataclysm that sweeps away the old world overnight and ushers in the new, even relatively rapid social changes can pass by unnoticed. The twilight years of Rome offer a good object lesson; so many people were convinced that the Second Coming might occur at any moment that the collapse of classical civilization went almost unnoticed; only a tiny handful of writers from those years show any recognition that something out of the ordinary was happening at all.

Reflections of this sort have been much on my mind lately, and there’s a reason for that. Scattered among the statistical noise that makes up most of today’s news are data points that suggest to me that business as usual is quietly coming to an end around us, launching us into a new world for which very few of us have made any preparations at all.


Little changes between one day to the next but if one takes a long view over the last 3 to 5 years a pattern starts to emerge when all the dots become connected there in paints a picture of collapse. Collapse is not something that one can pin down to a certain day on a given year but something that occurs over a number of years. We are living it now. It is not over but we are in the middle of it maybe on step 3 of a 10 step process.
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:17:14

I'm hoping a slow-decline occurs with enough time for me & my own to get prepped... although I am thinking since we are in the early stages of a decline, it may only take one major black swan event to tip things into a free fall collapse--I am hoping this does not happen.
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:28:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I')'m hoping a slow-decline occurs with enough time for me & my own to get prepped... although I am thinking since we are in the early stages of a decline, it may only take one major black swan event to tip things into a free fall collapse--I am hoping this does not happen.


Again, a Slow Decline cannot happen because of our military
and it's job of making sure that 25% of world energy makes
it's way to the US.

The BRIC nations, especially China now are drinking our milkshake.

The trend is inexorable. Iraq, Nigeria, Venezuela, Cabinda, Iran,
Kazahkstan, Turkmenistan. All moving to China Orbits.

And Turkey, the Ukraine. Have/are moving to Russia's Orbit.

Our military must now move in a Non Linear fashion- read
sneak attack, to alter the balance. OR retreat:

WWIII will be all about sneak attacks. Obviously. And any small sneak attack will cause massive, total retaliation. Completely and utterly.

ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ

Asia Times Online :: China News, China Business News, Taiwan and Hong Kong News and Business.

The United States plans to unveil later this decade(meaning
it's operational now) a new conventional “Prompt Global Strike” (C-PGS) system. It will enable the US to instantly carry out a massive conventional attack anywhere in the world in an hour or less.

ΩΩChina Renews Opposition to Iran Sanctions – NYTimes.com: this news story is extremely important.

China Missile Test Tells U.S. to Back Off over Taiwan - TIME Jan 13, 2010 ... China's Missile Test: A Symbolic Warning to U.S. ... stressed in a terse, three-sentence announcement of the test that the new system "is ...

www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1953233,00.html
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:58:46

What could the US realistically do to China if China decided to invade Taiwan? (And China has paratrooper divisions that actually practice in China capturing a precise mockup of the main airport on Taiwan)

I suppose we could send carriers steaming towards Taiwan straights like we've done before, only to run into theses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-270_Moskit

And Iran may have a few of these also.
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 14:58:31

Here is a story about what's going on in Colorado that I plucked off the homepage of google news.

This backs up what Greer is saying about state and local cutbacks in basic services.
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Unread postby mefistofeles » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 09:42:43

We're too late the collapse has already begun this from the government's own official January TARP Report

http://www.sigtarp.gov/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he substantial costs of TARP — in money, moral
hazard effects on the market, and Government credibility — will have been for
naught if we do nothing to correct the fundamental problems in our financial system
and end up in a similar or even greater crisis in two, or five, or ten years’ time.
It is hard to see how any of the fundamental problems in the system have been
addressed to date.


What makes this quote scary is that the people writing this aren't paranoid wackos they're actually the people inside the government who every interest to cover up malfeasance and wrong doing. The report goes onto say:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tated another way, even if TARP saved our financial system from driving off
a cliff back in 2008, absent meaningful reform, we are still driving on the same
winding mountain road, but this time in a faster car.


This information isn't exactly secret anyone can find it. What really frightens me is that the press is simply too dumb to spend a few minutes thumbing through the SIGTARP report. This should be front page news. The US is headed for almost certain catastrophe and calamity, most people are totally oblivious to what has happened to our financial system and it's ongoing catastrophic collapse.

Of course once you read the report it's absolutely shocking at to read about the incompetence demonstrated by the people in charge.

I sometimes feel like everyone around me is a zombie totally oblivious to what is about to happen. America isn't going to collapse in decade it could collapse, literally tommorrow. In the end I will always wonder how the people could be so blind to what should have been very obvious.
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby lahmanwokard » Thu 18 Feb 2010, 07:29:37

I have always been a big fan of Greers, he gets the mechanisms of collapse very well...what he does not get but seems to be grasping now...is the speed at which it can all transpire.If you read his academic treatises from 5 years ago and compare to todays night and day difference in tone and urgency.
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 18 Feb 2010, 08:06:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '[')url=http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14303473]Here is a story[/url] about what's going on in Colorado that I plucked off the homepage of google news.

This backs up what Greer is saying about state and local cutbacks in basic services.


Mos my small city recently announced cutting five more deputy's from the already over strained Sheriff department as a budgetary matter. Last year both the State Police and Sheriff also cut forces in my area. A few weeks ago there was a shooting on my block, four blocks from the City/County building where both the city Police and county Sheriff have their main headquarters. Response time was quick, only 4 minutes or so compared to other 911 calls. But there are rarely any murders in my city, about one very three years. If things start to fall apart in a big way there won't be enough trained men with experience to protect much of anything except the Government.

Shots Fired

Deputy's cut

One of my dad's best friends was a part time Deputy when I was growing up, they had their own horses stabled on their own property and he worked as a mounted patrol for all the large events every year, parades and carnivals, the circus and of course the County Fair. Most of these Police/Sheriff personnel are doing a thankless job risking their lives under cruddy work conditions for very little return. Yet they are near the top of the cut list every time any governmental unit has a budget problem.
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To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Thu 18 Feb 2010, 10:58:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '[')url=http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14303473]Here is a story[/url] about what's going on in Colorado that I plucked off the homepage of google news.

This backs up what Greer is saying about state and local cutbacks in basic services.


One of my dad's best friends was a part time Deputy when I was growing up, they had their own horses stabled on their own property and he worked as a mounted patrol for all the large events every year, parades and carnivals, the circus and of course the County Fair. Most of these Police/Sheriff personnel are doing a thankless job risking their lives under cruddy work conditions for very little return. Yet they are near the top of the cut list every time any governmental unit has a budget problem.


Top 400 net avg $345 million in 2007.

So divide the above into 50, that's about $3 billion per state.
Every year. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby sittinguy » Thu 18 Feb 2010, 17:22:15

I can't believe nobody posted the best part,, so here it is.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hose of my readers who haven’t already been beggared by the unraveling of what’s left of the economy, and have some hope of keeping a roof over their heads for the foreseeable future, might be well advised to stock their pantries, clear their debts, and get to know their neighbors, if they haven’t taken these sensible steps already. Those of my readers who haven’t taken the time already to learn a practical skill or two, well enough that others might be willing to pay or barter for the results, had better get a move on. Those of my readers who want to see some part of the heritage of the present saved for the future, finally, may want to do something practical about that, and soon. I may be wrong – and to be frank, I hope that I’m wrong – but it looks increasingly to me as though we’re in for a very rough time in the very near future
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Re: John Michael Greer Endgame

Unread postby pablonite » Thu 18 Feb 2010, 18:51:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', 'T')his information isn't exactly secret anyone can find it. What really frightens me is that the press is simply too dumb...

I think you should stop right there and define what you mean by "the press". There hasn't been a free press in America for more than a hundred years, the press doesn't stand outside and independent of the monetary system it was created in. In fact, it was fair game in the eyes of the oligarchy if they didn't outright create most of it to begin with.

All the press needs to do is tell us some history and the larger picture would come into focus, but it's not in their best interest - you might stop paying for the privilege of reading their propaganda and advertisements in an effort to better prepare for the future. Cognitive dissonance is such a powerful force, the education system along with all their institutions have been telling you your life is business as usual - for your whole life. How helpless are people going to be is the question? People are ready to cling to false hope that will be provided in the form of heroes, philanthropists, generals, media personalities...it's all they know how to do now.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '.')..paranoid wackos...

I sometimes feel like everyone around me is a zombie totally oblivious to what is about to happen. America isn't going to collapse in decade it could collapse, literally tommorrow. In the end I will always wonder how the people could be so blind to what should have been very obvious.

This is the sad part, paranoid whackos, wingnut "conspiracy theories"...social engineering at its finest, most people need no further programming for the rest of their lives to keep them between the goal posts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sittinguy', 'I') can't believe nobody posted the best part,, so here it is.

Get out of debt? If everyone got out of debt there would be no money in circulation. This highlights the hopelessness of the situation to many people which is the saddest part of all. You need to put on your boots now and start stepping on a head or yours is next, let the games begin!!! Oh, and the "press" would report every "step" on every head if it could and it tries every day by reporting the latest homicide. They never tell you much about their money problems though because they are usually just paranoid whackos and what not.
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