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Unread postby buddylee » Wed 17 Feb 2010, 12:35:37

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/201 ... innovation

Technology may not be able to save us after all, especially if we run out of the stuff used to create it.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Shortage of Rare Earth Elements Could Thwart Innovation by Jeremy Hsu, TechNewsDaily Contributor
LiveScience.com Jeremy Hsu, technewsdaily Contributor, livescience.com:
Silicon may represent one of Earth's more common elements, but it transformed Silicon Valley into a high-tech corridor and helped usher the world into the Information Age.
Now rare earth elements with exotic names such as europium and tantalum hold the key to hybrid cars, wind turbines and crystal-clear TV displays - that is, if a looming supply shortage doesn't stop innovation in its tracks. …
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Re: Peak Elements

Unread postby pablonite » Wed 17 Feb 2010, 13:42:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('buddylee', 'T')echnology may not be able to save us after all, especially if we run out of the stuff used to create it.
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Good point, they don't call them rare earth metals for nothing. Here is a neat site, you can just click and order some. With pictures of what they look like.

http://www.espirareearth.com/
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he rare earth elements are not really rare. At one time these materials were considered to be rare because they occur in nature in very low concentrations and are difficult to separate one from the others. It turns out that the rare earth elements are actually widely scattered throughout the earths crust and so are not rare at all. Even the least common rare earths are more abundant than the platinum-group metals and gold. However few concentrated, exploitable ore deposits have been found so far.
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Re: Peak Elements

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 17 Feb 2010, 13:46:56

IMO this is just plain silly. Rare earths are called such because THEY ARE RARE, therefore anyone who is surprised that they are rare needs some basic English comprehension lessons.

Making a Hybrid battery using Lanthanum is all well and good, but that does not mean OTHER types of batteries are not an option if there is a Lanthanum shortage. The same argument can be made for the other choices as well, while a rare earth element may be the best case scenario for your need it is NOT the only option.
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Re: Peak Elements

Unread postby pablonite » Wed 17 Feb 2010, 13:59:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')MO this is just plain silly. Rare earths are called such because THEY ARE RARE, therefore anyone who is surprised that they are rare needs some basic English comprehension lessons.
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It's strange. Technically NOT rare in the true sense of the word. Minutely scattered?

In any case it sure takes a lot of refining to get at them. $75/gram for Lutetium (Lu)!

Like a lot of discoveries in chemistry, once they had the basic structure of the periodic table layed out they could start predicting the elements that would fit in the holes and developed experiments to find them. So while first appearing rare, it was actually a matter of proportions. It's like the whole noble, rare gases thing.
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Re: Peak Elements

Unread postby pablonite » Wed 17 Feb 2010, 14:15:12

This has been in the news a lot lately...

All your base belong to us...
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/08 ... ong-to-us/
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')are-earth molycorp metals are the key to 21st Century technology: Without them, we wouldn’t have smartphones, hybrid cars or precision weapons. And China, which mines most of the world’s rare-earth metals, may be starting to catch on to their strategic value...
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Re: Peak Elements

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 17 Feb 2010, 19:25:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')MO this is just plain silly. Rare earths are called such because THEY ARE RARE, therefore anyone who is surprised that they are rare needs some basic English comprehension lessons.
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It's strange. Technically NOT rare in the true sense of the word. Minutely scattered?

In any case it sure takes a lot of refining to get at them. $75/gram for Lutetium (Lu)!

Like a lot of discoveries in chemistry, once they had the basic structure of the periodic table layed out they could start predicting the elements that would fit in the holes and developed experiments to find them. So while first appearing rare, it was actually a matter of proportions. It's like the whole noble, rare gases thing.


Maybe it is just me, but if the rich ores that make extraction economic are rare that is rare enough for me. You know it is like the discussions we have about extracting Uranium from sea water, technically it is possible, but the price to do so is quite substantially higher than current ore body extraction.
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Re: Peak Elements

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 28 Mar 2015, 01:46:51

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