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Postby Carlhole » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 02:50:02

Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Pentagon’s mad science arm may have come up with its most radical project yet. Darpa is looking to re-write the laws of evolution to the military’s advantage, creating “synthetic organisms” that can live forever — or can be killed with the flick of a molecular switch.

As part of its budget for the next year, Darpa is investing $6 million into a project called BioDesign, with the goal of eliminating “the randomness of natural evolutionary advancement.” The plan would assemble the latest bio-tech knowledge to come up with living, breathing creatures that are genetically engineered to “produce the intended biological effect.” Darpa wants the organisms to be fortified with molecules that bolster cell resistance to death, so that the lab-monsters can “ultimately be programmed to live indefinitely.”


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')I would love to comment, but unfortunately Darpa has installed a kill switch in me,” one unnamed expert tells Danger Room.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby TheDude » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 04:35:00

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The Wild and Strange World of DARPA

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s former DARPA Director Charles Herzfeld noted in 1975, "When we fail, we fail big." Little has changed. According to DARPA's current chief, some 85%-90% of its projects fail to meet their full objectives. Still, Piller points out, DARPA "has been behind some of the world's most revolutionary inventions" – "the Internet, the global positioning system, stealth technology and the computer mouse."

DARPA's spectacular failure rate and noteworthy successes stem from its high risk ventures. For years DARPA has funded extremely unconventional, sometimes beyond-the-pale, avant-garde research in all realms of science and technology. It is, perhaps, the most creative place in our vast government for a scientist who wants to stretch his or her mind in adventurous directions and be well paid to do so. If you have a wild idea, DARPA's the place to try it out. Said Harvard University pathologist Donald Ingber in a 2001 Los Angeles Times article, "DARPA [has] funded things that a lot of people thought were ridiculous, and some that people thought were impossible. They make things happen."

There's only one caveat -- in one way or another most every project, however mind-stretching, invariably must end, directly or indirectly, in the incapacitation or death of future American enemies.

The projects are often some of the most lethal ever conceived. Over the years, DARPA research has led to a plethora of products designed to maim and kill, among them the: M-16 rifle, Hellfire-missile-equipped Predator drones, stealth fighters and bombers, surface-to-surface artillery rocket systems, Tomahawk cruise missiles, B-52 bomber upgrades, Titan missiles, Javelin portable "fire and forget" guided missiles and cannon-launched Copperhead guided projectiles, to name but a few.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Carlhole » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 05:37:17

Alright, I give up.

What does Dr. Seuss and bong hits have to do with DARPA's crazy plans?
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Carlhole » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 05:54:43

Fifty years of DARPA: Hits, misses and ones to watch (2008 article)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]Founded to protect the US against "technological surprise", the agency has achieved some spectacular successes - and failures - in its 50-year history.

Successful projects

The internet: Precisely who 'invented' the mass of linked computer networks that is today's internet is a moot point. But it wouldn't have happened without the ARPANET network built by DARPA in the 1960s. The idea was to make a "self-healing" communications network that still worked when parts of it were destroyed. It was the first network to transmit data in discrete chunks, not constant streams, and led to the development of the TCP/IP specification still in use today.

GPS: We would be quite literally lost without today's global positioning system (GPS). But long before the current NAVSTAR GPS satellites were launched, came a constellation of just five DARPA satellites called Transit. First operational in 1960, they gave US Navy ships hourly location fixes as accurate as 200 metres.

Speech translation: Although not yet available to consumers, handheld language translation devices developed with DARPA funding are already being used in Iraq. Although accuracy can be as low as 50%, the devices have met with favourable reviews from forces on the ground.

Stealth Planes: It's probably the best example of DARPA fulfilling its remit to come up with "surprise" technologies - even the US Air Force was surprised by the idea. The first prototype, Have Blue, was tested in the late 1970s and became the precursor to F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter.

Gallium Arsenide: One of DARPA's lesser known accomplishments, semiconductor gallium arsenide received a push from a $600-million computer research program in the mid-1980s. Although more costly than silicon, the material has become central to wireless communications chips in everything from cellphones to satellites, thanks to its high electron mobility, which lets it work at higher frequencies.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 09:29:57

Oh frack, somebody’s been watching Battle Star Galactica.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby TheDude » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 12:18:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'A')lright, I give up.

What does Dr. Seuss and bong hits have to do with DARPA's crazy plans?


Oh, I don't know, you had me with the lab-monsters, but claims that they will bolster cell resistance to death, so that the can “ultimately be programmed to live indefinitely...”

I do enjoy these dispatches from the reallllllllllly weird edge of research, but have you read Vonnegut's novel Player Piano? When I read about these imminent breakthroughs in AI and robotics first thing that comes to mind is labor too cheap to meter - also soldiers. Forget lovable C3PO or Data. Billions of people aren't really producing anything of true value, either. Now make them obsolete, and you'll see some real frenzied Luddism.

Where do you stand on all of this, anyway? If anywhere.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Carlhole » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 15:49:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'O')h frack, somebody’s been watching Battle Star Galactica.


I don't understand this comment either. The internet is science fiction?

DARPA is the venture capital arm of the Pentagon. In any venture capital firm's portfolio, public or private, most of the ventures are losers because the far-reaching ideas involved turn out to be uneconomic or impractical or outright impossible. But the few successes that are achieved are enormously profitable or world-changing. So the idea is to trim out the losers as quickly as possible and re-double efforts on the winners so that the overall portfolio of ventures is as worthwhile and effective as possible.

There is not enough information in the article I posted to learn much about the details of DARPA's program. But with regard to "synthetic organisms", I've become aware of a handful of labs around the country doing work in this area, some relevant to energy production. It's obviously something that will remain with us into the future. Who knows where it will lead? It is one of those potentially staggering advents that could literally change everything.

DARPA's stuff is always interesting because it's new programs are so far out and weird. That's why Wired covers this stuff.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Narz » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 16:06:19

Call me when they make me my own personal 7 of 9. 8)
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 20:53:29

Oh for the good old days when the guy running the wars and pushing the country off a cliff was some white guy who could not string a sentence together.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 07 Feb 2010, 20:58:12

Battle Star Galactica is a series based on the interaction and interbreeding of the human race with a synthetic race created by machines that is immortal. The Cylons were created by a defense department hoping to create the ultimate soldier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Carlhole » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 04:01:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'B')attle Star Galactica is a series based on the interaction and interbreeding of the human race with a synthetic race created by machines that is immortal. The Cylons were created by a defense department hoping to create the ultimate soldier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica


Ahhh... I should watch more TV. That way I wouldn't be so damned ignorant.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Cloud9 » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 08:01:09

I have a DVD player on my reloading bench. It helps keep an ADD person like myself from going nuts. The Dillon Press I have is pretty automated but you still have to feed it bullets and cases. Boring stuff. Right now I am about ten hours into thrity hours of Vietnam war footage.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby efarmer » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 12:57:31

Daddy Warbucks brings on the big bluff in the poker game of hubristic blather,
Gaia, studies her cards and finally declares:

"I'll see your immortal synthetic organisms and raise you a cockaroach."

Knowing that she is probably holding a Norway rat as well, Daddy Warbucks
wisely folds...

He sits out the next round and dreams of how to make a weapon out of
carbon dioxide and algae. Green and sustainable killing is truly a hard
nut to crack.
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby pablonite » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 13:15:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'O')h for the good old days when the guy running the wars and pushing the country off a cliff was some white guy who could not string a sentence together.

Com'on, you seriously don't believe this guy was "running" things? Daddy maybe. Bush senior - the CIA head with the brains who somehow managed to put his ignorant son in the White House, now he could have been running things!

Don't forget that when you look at the Bush junior administration as a collective, Rumsfeld, Cheny, Wolfawitz...there are probably 10 key players I can think of off the top of my head, who were lurking around in the back halls of power for years, creeping through thousands of revolving doors. THEY ran the show. NOT little George.

It was really pure genius looking back, Bush jr. was just a stupid president that made stupid mistakes. And everyone bought it.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'G')reen and sustainable killing is truly a hard
nut to crack.
Daddy Warbucks brings on the big bluff in the poker game of hubristic blather,
Gaia, studies her cards and finally declares:

"I'll see your immortal synthetic organisms and raise you a cockaroach."

Knowing that she is probably holding a Norway rat as well, Daddy Warbucks
wisely folds...

He sits out the next round and dreams of how to make a weapon out of
carbon dioxide and algae. Green and sustainable killing is truly a hard
nut to crack.

Nice! I don't see much new going on in the article other than the effort for immortality for the synthetic killing organisms on behalf of the creators - with a kill switch? Ugh.

Sure there are going to be a lot of bio-engineering labs trying to cook up killer organisms because if you get a hit, you know you've got a buyer somewhere in the US government alpha-bet agencies - and money is no object for them. Yay!
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby rangerone314 » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 14:43:14

Don't we already have immortal creatures?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_(genus)
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Re: Pentagon Looks to Breed Immortal ‘Synthetic Organisms’

Postby Pretorian » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 16:00:06

they are no more immortal then any bacteria, amaeba or a cancer cell. They do not need a death gene
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Pentagon is paying $400/gallon for gas?????

Postby misterno » Tue 16 Mar 2010, 23:15:03

Here is the article;

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/ ... ofGas.aspx

I wonder how much they were paying per gallon when oil hit $147/barrel.

If oil goes thru the roof and say hit $200, how will this effect the overseas operations of US Army? What if they stop or limit the operations due to extremely expensive energy and terrorists all around the world take a notice and the next day every US Embassy and anything owned or associated to US all around the world is being attacked?

What do you guys think?
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Re: Pentagon is paying $400/gallon for gas?????

Postby heroineworshipper » Tue 16 Mar 2010, 23:34:18

It was big news in 2004. It really did cost $400 a gallon to get fuel to the front lines & people died doing it. It involves driving a truck past terrorists. Logistics are 1 of the keys to winning wars, in addition to being allowed to shoot the enemy. Food was another necessity which was very expensive.
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Re: Pentagon is paying $400/gallon for gas?????

Postby Roy » Wed 17 Mar 2010, 07:07:28

What's the ROI on that money?

I don't think it's very good.

Just lots of dead and maimed people and a lot of ill will toward the US and the American way of life.
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