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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby SeaGypsy » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 10:27:18

Most RN's I've worked with would expect the CNA (AIN in OZ) to find the bum needing wiping before they smelled it! I don't know what client/ staff ratios are outside of Oz, the 4 places I have worked have ranged from 1 to 1/ 1 to 8. The place I work now it's 4 to 1 plus an RN who does wipe bums. In 18 months in this industry I have never had to wipe more than 5 bums a day, currently maybe 1 or 2. I figure that's $75k with about 2 hours spent wiping bums. Another job I had as a youngster was strapper/ stablehand in a racing horse stud farm. 4 hours a day doing nothing but scooping shit; far worse and terrible money
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby MarkJ » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 10:32:40

The greatest challenge I've had in a healthcare type job had was restraining, moving and transporting the more violent retarded clients. You couldn't "officially" use too much force in restraining these clients, many of which would punch, kick, scratch, bite, swing or throw objects when about to receive drugs, shots, showers etc.

The bum wiping was mostly done by female employees, although males often restrained, lifted and moved the violent and/or heavy clients.

The work outside the facilities and group homes was enjoyable since we'd take the higher functioning non violent clients to movies, concerts, restaurants, shopping, roller skating, or on field trips, picnics etc.

When I was in college, I also worked with difficult draw patients in juvenile facilities and drug/alcohol prison rehab facilities.
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby SeaGypsy » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 12:35:29

Yeah Mark, I can relate. I've had some pretty freaky clients: attempted suicide with fork/ launched out of wheelchair attempting to grab or hit strangers in the street/ attempted scratching out the eyes of carers every morning at shower time/ eating shit'/ 'self extraction'/ public masturbation/ jumping in bed with other clients/ bashing other clients/ screaming for cigarettes (even with one in their mouth)/ forgetting what a toilet is/ etc.
Some of the most difficult are onset dementia patients who can talk about the 30's with clarity but can't remember if their kids came to see them this morning.
Lifting is all by machines these days. If I dared insinuate bum wiping is woman's work I would be out of a job quick smart!
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Stonemason » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 16:12:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')ut I mainly see scared white men bitching about anyone else getting a piece of the pie they [their ancestors] have had for so long.


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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Ludi » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 17:07:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')ut I mainly see scared white men bitching about anyone else getting a piece of the pie they [their ancestors] have had for so long.


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Oh now. The white men I see bitching on here have a pretty huge piece of pie. Seriously.

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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Novus » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 18:57:13

The men will get their pie back for that I have no doubt. Remember this is about the Feminist misandry bubble not the rise of feminist misandry. Like all bubbles they pop often leaving behind a desolation that is worse that what existed before the bubble. Imagine much of the West turning to Islam and rolling back secularism in favor of Sharia. There has never been a successful feminist culture. Historically every single culture that favored women and restricted men collapsed and was quickly replace by a male dominated culture.

Wiping the bums of retards that shit themselves adds very little value to society. Without men doing real work to pay the bills heath care cannot endure and neither can education. The bubble of overpaid women and favorable laws that transfer wealth from men to women will end because when the men stop creating wealth there will be no wealth to transfer.
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Ainan » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 19:21:55

+1 Novus. I fear the pop will include some of the worst parts of the bible though. :/

If I can't get a job in IT for some reason, I can't help but feel working in the sewage industry would be interesting. All those tunnels to explore, raw human waste networks... Meh I'll do whatever I need to do. Worst job in my life so far was cleaning in a butchers. Talk about elbow grease, I swear my right arm is slightly bigger than my left arm still. 8O
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Ludi » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 19:59:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')There has never been a successful feminist culture.



Huh? Feminism is a modern political movement.


Ours certainly isn't a "feminist culture" so there's no telling whether one can be "successful" or not.


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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Stonemason » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 20:13:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')ut I mainly see scared white men bitching about anyone else getting a piece of the pie they [their ancestors] have had for so long.


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Oh now. The white men I see bitching on here have a pretty huge piece of pie. Seriously.

:x


Sorry, I don't know what you mean.
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Ludi » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 20:16:55

I especially like this quote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')The bubble of overpaid women and favorable laws that transfer wealth from men to women



Richest people in America:

1. Warren Buffet
2. Bill Gates

3. Sheldon Adelson
4. Larry Ellison

5. The Waltons

6. Sergey Brin

7. Larry Page

8. Charles & David Koch
9. Michael Dell
10. Paul Allen
11. Kirk Kerkorian
12. Steven Ballmer
13. Abigail Johnson
14. Carl Icahn

15. Mars Family
16. Jack C. Taylor

17. Donald Bren
18. Anne Cox Chambers

19. Michael Bloomberg

20. George Kaiser


Overpaid women:

"The ratio of women’s and men’s median annual earnings in 2008 was 77.1 for full-time, year-round workers, down from 77.8 in 2007.
(This means the gender wage gap is now 22.9 percent.) The annual earnings figure reflects gender differences in both hourly wages and
the number of hours worked each year by full-time workers. If part-time and part-year workers were included, the ratio would be much
lower, as women are more likely than men to work reduced schedules in order to manage child-rearing and other caregiving work.
Women’s real (inflation-adjusted) annual earnings fell 2.0 percent from 2007 to 2008, to $35,745, while men’s fell 1.0 percent, to
$46,367. With the exception of an uptick in 2007, this continues the multi-year decline in real wages experienced by both men and
Another measure of women’s earning ability – the ratio of women’s to men’s median weekly earnings, for full-time workers – was 79.9
in 2008, down from the historic high of 81.0 in 2005. The annual ratio, which includes self-employed workers, tends to be slightly lower
than the weekly ratio (which includes full-time workers who work only part of the year and excludes the self-employed), although the
two series exhibit the same general trend over the long term.
Progress in closing the gender earnings gap has slowed considerably since 1990, as measured by both data series. While the gender
earnings ratio for annual earnings increased by 11.4 percentage points from 1980 to 1990, it grew by only 5.5 percentage points over
the next 18 years."

http://www.iwpr.org/pdf/C350.pdf
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Ludi » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 20:22:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', '
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Sorry, I don't know what you mean.



That's ok. :) The men I see bitching about women here on po.com also tend to be those bitching about the poor non-whites, both male and female. From what these men post, I leap to the conclusion they are in the upper quintile of earners in this country and are in no danger of losing their place to either women or poor non-whites.

That is to say, these men tend to be scared white bigots and misogynists. In my opinion. :|
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Novus » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 21:25:20

Ludi feminism cannot sustain itself by leeching off the wealth of 20 old men. Those 20 individuals don't really produce the wealth anyway. Their wealth is continually created and sustained by armies of men under them. The end of Feminism will come through the rebellion of those males ending their creation of wealth surpluses most of which is turned over to women. Men work themselves to an early grave to provide for their wife and kids but feminism has poisoned the relationship breaking the social contract between men and women. Men will survive it, the women won't.
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby JJ » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 21:53:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', '+')1 Novus. I fear the pop will include some of the worst parts of the bible though. :/

If I can't get a job in IT for some reason, I can't help but feel working in the sewage industry would be interesting. All those tunnels to explore, raw human waste networks... Meh I'll do whatever I need to do. Worst job in my life so far was cleaning in a butchers. Talk about elbow grease, I swear my right arm is slightly bigger than my left arm still. 8O


Ainan, the worst job I ever had was when I was commercial fishing, down in the hole passing up buckets of flyblown maggot infested rotting squid that had been cooking for a month with no ice. Puking every other bucket. My biggest fear is that I will have to do something like that again in the future.

Seagypsy, when I worked with Alzheimer patients, it wasn't ALL bad. There were some humorous moments.

"Peter, why did you drink the whole bottle of shampoo?"
"Mary told me to."
"Mary, did you tell him to drink the shampoo?"
"Every last drop."
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby SeaGypsy » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 06:56:13

JJ, there are some absolute classics where I am as it is either full blood aboriginals to whom english is a 3rd or 5th language or old cowhands/ station families. 3.30 am/ Mr Jones: "Who left the boody gate open? The cattle are all in my room!" or "Where's my blazin' horse?"

Novus: if there is a God or karma you may find yourself with low grade care being left to sit in your shit all day until you die from rotten bedsores. The problem with aged care spending has nothing to do with basic services but with over the top medical care; which is blatently unsustainable.

JJ, and myself are married to Filipina's, perhaps some others are also, or to other cultured women who still do have a clear and strong social contract. Feminism is not a word in Tagalog; but the philippines has had 2 very important female presidents, 51% of businesses in the Philippines are owned by women. Most Filipino men hand over all or most of their pay to their wives then need to ask for beer money etc.

I spend the money I earn 'wiping bums' on a very creative lifestyle which I enjoy immensely. I don't give 2 hoots what misogynists think or racists or feminazis.

Western feminism has dismantled roles most importantly in the home and in communications. Men have always been better at some things as women have at others. A world made up of men and their subjective women would be lesser than a world of gender difference but equality. Traditions sometimes exist for very good reason.

Reactionary misogyny is the polar opposite of man hating feminazism, both are futile, non productive negatives, a waste of time and energy.
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby JJ » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 08:10:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'J')J, there are some absolute classics where I am as it is either full blood aboriginals to whom english is a 3rd or 5th language or old cowhands/ station families. 3.30 am/ Mr Jones: "Who left the boody gate open? The cattle are all in my room!" or "Where's my blazin' horse?"

Novus: if there is a God or karma you may find yourself with low grade care being left to sit in your shit all day until you die from rotten bedsores. The problem with aged care spending has nothing to do with basic services but with over the top medical care; which is blatently unsustainable.

JJ, Newfie and myself are all married to Filipina's, perhaps some other readers are also, or to other cultured women who still do have a clear and strong social contract. Feminism is not a word in Tagalog; but the philippines has had 2 very important female presidents, 51% of businesses in the Philippines are owned by women. Most Filipino men hand over all or most of their pay to their wives then need to ask for beer money etc.

I spend the money I earn 'wiping bums' on a very creative lifestyle which I enjoy immensely. I don't give 2 hoots what misogynists think or racists or feminazis.

Western feminism has dismantled roles most importantly in the home and in communications. Men have always been better at some things as women have at others. A world made up of men and their subjective women would be lesser than a world of gender difference but equality. Traditions sometimes exist for very good reason.

Reactionary misogyny is the polar opposite of man hating feminazism, both are futile, non productive negatives, a waste of time and energy.


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What she makes, she keeps. :)
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby SeaGypsy » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 09:22:11

JJ, I never went to that extent. But not doing so means it's an ongoing discussion about money, I understand why most men just give in and hand it over. Fortunately my wife is not a gambler, druggie or drunk. I do see gambling being a chronic problem for many Filipinas particularly. I have a brother in law working in Saudi sending his pay home to his wife who blows it on card sharks (Tong-it). 4 unfavorite things in the Phil's: corrupt government/ karaoke/ tong-it & burning garbage. Favorite thing: the women, and not just for the obvious reasons.
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Ludi » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 10:15:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')Reactionary misogyny is the polar opposite of man hating feminazism, both are futile, non productive negatives, a waste of time and energy.



100% agree! :)
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby Ludi » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 10:17:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'L')udi feminism cannot sustain itself by leeching off the wealth of 20 old men.



Wow, way to totally miss the point. 8O
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby JJ » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 10:32:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'J')J, I never went to that extent. But not doing so means it's an ongoing discussion about money, I understand why most men just give in and hand it over. Fortunately my wife is not a gambler, druggie or drunk. I do see gambling being a chronic problem for many Filipinas particularly. I have a brother in law working in Saudi sending his pay home to his wife who blows it on card sharks (Tong-it). 4 unfavorite things in the Phil's: corrupt government/ karaoke/ tong-it & burning garbage. Favorite thing: the women, and not just for the obvious reasons.


SG, it's win-win for me; I have everything I want. When I married Bing fifteen years ago, everything I owned fit in my saddlebags (literally) and I would be just as comfortable with that now (except I didn't have a computer, which I would miss). Because Bing is so tight, we have a lot; I quit smoking, drinking, drugging 25 years ago. Pretty much the only thing I spend money on is food, and little of that. The one sore spot in our marriage has been me buying plumeria (kalachuchi) which are considered weeds in the Philippines and what kind of lunatic would spent MONEY on them :) Once I bought a chevy step side truck for a thousand dollars and sold it five years later for 500 when it was disintegrating and she was so mad I though she would divorce me. I thought I was cutting my losses.

Last time I was in Mindanao there was a country western song about a guy who was sending home his money to his wife for two years from Saudi; when he left he had one kid and when he came back he had three and she had spent all the remittances on shabu.

Bings dad (who just died) had Alzheimers bad and ended up with his own store: he was a heavy jai-lai gambler. When you went into nanays store it looked like a store. when you went into tatays store there would be one egg over there...one bottle of banana catsup over there...his alzheimers led him to blame nanay and the children for losing all his money....
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Re: The Breadwinners Wear Lipstick

Postby rangerone314 » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 10:54:12

Weirdness.

We just pile the income into one bank account. Each pay period, the primary bill (either child support for my oldest son or the mortage for our house) gets paid first, then $297 cash for 2 weeks of groceries, haircut money, discretionary mad-money etc, then specific amounts for rainy day funds and spending funds for the car, medical bills, clothes, gifts, house maintenance etc and any other bills.

All credit cards paid off in full every 2 weeks like clockwork. (if there isn't enough cash to buy something, a credit card is not used... credit cards mostly for automatic payments like daycare or something like gas @ Sam's Club)

I run a tight ship financially, and considering my background, am suited for that rather than just letting wife do finances. (My major from 1986-1989 was accounting until I switched to computer science. After I got my MS in computers in May 2003 it looked like job search was going to be a Fail so I went back to finish BS in accounting only to get a job end of December 2003 in computers. So I continued a few semesters in accounting after that and stopped 5 classes shy of a degree. (which sounds silly but it would cost a pretty penny to finish, and time is also an issue with the wife doing an MS now and a baby to take care of)

But I do my finances on spreadsheet, run tax scenarios on TurboTax, etc. Calculate how much money I'll have available for buying solar panels when child support ends in 6 years, etc. I got amortization tables in Excel for mortgage & solar panels & preps, and factor in specific events like child support or daycare costs ending etc.

The big thing is a multi-sheet spreadsheet that has separate pages for student loans, credit card balances, investments, bank balances, etc and a summary balance sheet page that shows the net amounts from the separate pages, including net worth and reserve funds available for a crisis. (This gets updated every 2 weeks, and the goal is every 2 weeks to show an increase in net work and reserve funds)
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