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Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Jotapay » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 01:45:43
You people who want communism/socialism, just make sure you take your Expletive deleted. Wall Street bankers, unions and other "too big to fail" corporations with you, who want socialism at the expense of the working man's taxes. You're all the same ilk and deserve each other.
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Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Ludi » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 10:42:54
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', 'I') would say that is pretty much tribalism, a social system which has worked well
Define working well. Afghanistan? Baghdad? If we slide back to tribalism, it's going to be more like south central LA than Pandora.- Ludi
Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Homesteader » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 13:01:19
Most people attach "primitive", "barbaric" and a lot of other junk to tribal, which is a mistake.
Some people just love big government. So be it. . . not my cup of tea. There isn't one right way to live, although tptb want us to think so, and this global society has a meme that says this is the one right way, and death to all who disagree.
Some people just love big government. So be it. . . not my cup of tea. There isn't one right way to live, although tptb want us to think so, and this global society has a meme that says this is the one right way, and death to all who disagree.
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Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Homesteader » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 13:13:01
A few other references to tribalism:
"In the past 50 years, anthropologists have greatly revised our understanding of the tribe. Franz Boas removed the idea of unilineal cultural evolution from the realm of serious anthropological research as too simplistic, allowing tribes to be studied in their own right, rather than stepping stones to civilization or "living fossils." Anthropologists such as Richard Borshay Lee and Marshall Sahlins began publishing studies that showed tribal life as an easy, safe life, the opposite of the traditional theoretical supposition. In the title to his book, Sahlins referred to these tribal cultures as "the Original Affluent Society," not for their material wealth, but for their combination of leisure and lack of want.
This work is for the progression of humanity and the enlightenment of ourselves, such as that advocated by John Zerzan or Daniel Quinn. These philosophers have led to new tribalists pursuing what Daniel Quinn dubbed the "New Tribal Revolution". The new tribalists use the term "tribalism" not "
"According to a study by Robin Dunbar at the University of Liverpool, primate brain size is determined by social group size. Dunbar's conclusion was that the human brain can only really understand a maximum of 150 individuals as fully developed, complex people (see Dunbar's number). Malcolm Gladwell expanded on this conclusion sociologically in his book, The Tipping Point. According to these studies, then, "tribalism" is in some sense an inescapable fact of human neurology, simply because the human brain is not adapted to working with large populations. Beyond 150, the human brain must resort to some combination of hierarchical schemes, stereotypes, and other simplified models in order to understand so many people."
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism
There is volumes of information out there on the topic if you care to look.
"In the past 50 years, anthropologists have greatly revised our understanding of the tribe. Franz Boas removed the idea of unilineal cultural evolution from the realm of serious anthropological research as too simplistic, allowing tribes to be studied in their own right, rather than stepping stones to civilization or "living fossils." Anthropologists such as Richard Borshay Lee and Marshall Sahlins began publishing studies that showed tribal life as an easy, safe life, the opposite of the traditional theoretical supposition. In the title to his book, Sahlins referred to these tribal cultures as "the Original Affluent Society," not for their material wealth, but for their combination of leisure and lack of want.
This work is for the progression of humanity and the enlightenment of ourselves, such as that advocated by John Zerzan or Daniel Quinn. These philosophers have led to new tribalists pursuing what Daniel Quinn dubbed the "New Tribal Revolution". The new tribalists use the term "tribalism" not "
"According to a study by Robin Dunbar at the University of Liverpool, primate brain size is determined by social group size. Dunbar's conclusion was that the human brain can only really understand a maximum of 150 individuals as fully developed, complex people (see Dunbar's number). Malcolm Gladwell expanded on this conclusion sociologically in his book, The Tipping Point. According to these studies, then, "tribalism" is in some sense an inescapable fact of human neurology, simply because the human brain is not adapted to working with large populations. Beyond 150, the human brain must resort to some combination of hierarchical schemes, stereotypes, and other simplified models in order to understand so many people."
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism
There is volumes of information out there on the topic if you care to look.
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Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Ludi » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 13:45:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', 'M')ost people attach "primitive", "barbaric" and a lot of other junk to tribal, which is a mistake..
I think so too. I'm not convinced a band/tribal egalitarian society must be "primitive" or that all Neo-tribalists are primitivists. I'm not a primitivist, though Jason Godesky is. Daniel Quinn certainly isn't. Tribalism/band society is just a system of social organization, it doesn't define how you make your living. That is, tribes/band needn't be hunter-gatherers, in my opinion. They might be horticulturalists.- Ludi
Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Homesteader » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 13:54:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') think so too. I'm not convinced a band/tribal egalitarian society must be "primitive" or that all Neo-tribalists are primitivists. I'm not a primitivist, though Jason Godesky is. Daniel Quinn certainly isn't. Tribalism/band society is just a system of social organization, it doesn't define how you make your living. That is, tribes/band needn't be hunter-gatherers, in my opinion. They might be horticulturalists.
Well put."The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…"
Sir Winston Churchill
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