[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Last_Historian', 'N')ormally I would agree with you, but I think the scale of the crisis facing is no longer solvable through the conventional American political tradition.

[rangerone314]

I think mos put it best a while back when he said we are "in the age of consequences".

The age of choices is over. Its like trying to argue whether you should turn left or turn right when you are in a train tunnel and a train is speeding towards you.

Personally I see us collapsing into a MadMax-style anarchy OR a dictatorship arises in the US that holds things together by brute force as long as it can.

I'm not sure what follows after either of those. I do rather doubt once we have emerged from the collapse that we will embrace "green communism".

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'P')ersonally I see us collapsing into a MadMax-style anarchy OR a dictatorship arises in the US that holds things together by brute force as long as it can.
I'm not sure what follows after either of those. I do rather doubt once we have emerged from the collapse that we will embrace "green communism".

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'S')omething we can't now foresee.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'W')ith all of our combined intelligence, one would think we could chart out.... discern somehow.... calculate.... what will come. But it will, I agree, most likely be a great big unhappy surprise to all. Something we can't now foresee.

[Olaf]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'W')hat's to stop the leaders of a "green communist" state from enjoying the good life at the expense of the peasants?

[Jotapay]

More corruption and tyranny from communist hellholes. link$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')size=130]China teen seen as hero for killing local official[/size]
Zhang Xuping was paid 1,000 yuan ($146) by another villager, 35-year-old farmer Zhang Huping, to commit the murder after Li allegedly harassed the farmer for years, local newspaper reports said. The elder Zhang was reportedly routinely detained on trumped up charges ever since he led a group of farmers to seek the help of provincial authorities after Li razed 28 acres of trees belonging to them without permission or compensation in 2003.
The teenager entered a school where Li was attending a meeting, found the official alone and stabbed him through the heart. Li staggered out of the building and into his luxury sports utility vehicle but died before he could make it to a hospital, reports said.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') think mos put it best a while back when he said we are "in the age of consequences".
The age of choices is over. Its like trying to argue whether you should turn left or turn right when you are in a train tunnel and a train is speeding towards you.

[Last_Historian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ommunist local tyrants harass locals and steal from them whenever they want. And they drive a luxury SUV, all at the expense of people who actually work for a living. Stay classy, communists!

[SeaGypsy]

I agree LH. Just because they don't have the farce of a 2 party system of democracy and they call themselves the 'Communist Party' does not mean they are communists.
China is very Chinese. Corruption is rampant at the highest levels. But this is true of most of the world. If a nation can't pay it's police enough to live a middle class lifestyle there will always be corruption from that level up.

The abundance which has allowed the west to slow down the urge for corruption is coming to a close. Along with 'Our' ability to control our destiny at all. Corruption is part of human nature and is not going away any time soon. I expect to see a re-emergence of normal street level corruption in the USA quite soon as police wages and numbers fall, for instance.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Last_Historian', 'C')hina is quite obviously not a Communist state (there never was one, since "Communist state" is actually an oxymoron), nor even a socialist one in many aspects. It is mercantile state-coordinated "Yellow River capitalism".

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Last_Historian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ommunist local tyrants harass locals and steal from them whenever they want. And they drive a luxury SUV, all at the expense of people who actually work for a living. Stay classy, communists!

[rangerone314]

I got an idea. Invent a form of mind control that can hook everyone up to a collective mind like the Borg.

That'd be a great way to permanently control the yeast that is humanity.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', '[')b]Capitalism, another failed religion. How many unequal millions are going to have to die before your dystopia is seen by all for what it is, a failed social experiment that ends with the country being ruled by the secrete police turned mafia?

[AlexdeLarge]

Worth reposting in this thread...... Glenn Beck says the fans of Che, Castro , Hitler, Stalin and Mao should watch the show today to learn the history of these "heros" they don't teach you in the schools.

The Revolutionary Holocaust link

Revolutionary Holocaust airs Friday, January 22 at 5p ET on the Fox News Channel...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') groundbreaking hour long special where Glenn Beck takes us back in time to examine the roots of socialism and communism and the evil that followed. We all know about the horrors of the holocaust where the pure evil Hitler inspired claimed the lives of millions of innocent people. But most do not know about the millions upon millions of lives lost in a different genocide of the Ukrainian people under the Stalin regime. This special also takes a look behind the iconic fashion symbol of Che Guevara showing that the myth doesn't tell the story of the man who was a blood thirsty killer. We meet a family who saw first hand what a monster the man was. They know the cost of communism and you will too when you hear their story, and who can forget about Mao Zedong? A leader responsible for 70-million deaths during his reign. All communist. All killers. We will show you things you've never seen but need to.

[davep]

Ok, so centralised communism is responsible for millions of deaths and is a redundant philosophy. As is capitalism.

I think that leaves us with local power with no heirarchy, whereby everybody is responsible for decision making, and everybody reaps the rewards of their decision making. This is Anarchism, the only way to move forward after the collapse of our society without descending into barbarism.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') got an idea. Invent a form of mind control that can hook everyone up to a collective mind like the Borg.That'd be a great way to permanently control the yeast that is humanity.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'O')k, so centralised communism is responsible for millions of deaths and is a redundant philosophy. As is capitalism.
I think that leaves us with local power with no heirarchy, whereby everybody is responsible for decision making, and everybody reaps the rewards of their decision making. .

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') got an idea. Invent a form of mind control that can hook everyone up to a collective mind like the Borg. That'd be a great way to permanently control the yeast that is humanity.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '
')I would say that is pretty much tribalism, a social system which has worked well