[Jotapay]

This is a really interesting video by a guy who interviewed Peter Schiff, which I just watched previously. He seems to have a really interesting YouTube channel. He totally is right up Ron Paul's alley.

This 14 minute video discusses how TPTB construct countries like farms to grow and contain citizens and use their excess labor for their own benefit, and the psychology required to accomplish that. The deciding point in history when this was made possible was when tribes began to use agriculture, which made the work of one man equal to more than what was required to feed that man and therefore there was excess work capacity, which could be exploited by the enterprising TPTB at the time. Very interesting take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P772Eb63qIY

I love this quote: "Religion is a pimped-out superstition, designed to drug children with fears that they will endlessly pay to have alleviated".

[Stonemason]

Not sure what you mean by being right up Ron Paul's alley? He's not a minarchist, he's an anarcho-capitalist/voluntaryist... so he doesn't support any political party or candidates.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', 'N')ot sure what you mean by being right up Ron Paul's alley? He's not a minarchist, he's an anarcho-capitalist/voluntaryist... so he doesn't support any political party or candidates.

[timmac]

Good clip Jotapay, However if everyone was truly free than who is going to stay on the farm and grow our food ??

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'G')ood clip Jotapay, However if everyone was truly free than who is going to stay on the farm and grow our food ??

[pablonite]

Heh, nice video. He reminds me of Alan Watt with the accent.

Here is a nice quote to reinforce the message behind the video.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Hazard Circular, July 1862.
Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power, and chattel slavery abolished. This, I and my European friends are in favor of, for slavery is but the owning of labor, and carries with it the care of labor, while the European plan, led on by England, is that capital shall control labor by controlling wages.

The great debt that capitalists will see to it is made out of the [Civil] war must be used to control the value of money. To accomplish this, the Government bonds must be used as a banking basis.

We are now waiting for the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States to make this recommendation. It will not do to allow greenbacks, as they are called, to circulate as money any length of time, as we cannot control that, but we can control the bonds and through them the bank issues.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', 'I')n particular anti-depressants.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', 'I')n particular anti-depressants.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')I think the videographer was referring to the over-prescribing of anti-depressants and given to those who didn't respond well to their handling as livestock.

[Novus]

Daniel Quinn has been writing about this stuff for 20 years now. His allegory of the box sitter was real eye opener for me. TPTB put food under lock and key and suddenly free men are turned into slaves. Voltaire wrote about this stuff too in the mid 1700s. "Man is born free but everywhere he is in chains." Revolution soon followed his words but people are stupid and ignorant and history is repeating itself. The chains are going back on as the free are reduced to slaves once again.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'D')aniel Quinn has been writing about this stuff for 20 years now. His allegory of the box sitter was real eye opener for me. TPTB put food under lock and key and suddenly free men are turned into slaves. Voltaire wrote about this stuff too in the mid 1700s. "Man is born free but everywhere he is in chains." Revolution soon followed his words but people are stupid and ignorant and history is repeating itself. The chains are going back on as the free are reduced to slaves once again.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'D')aniel Quinn has been writing about this stuff for 20 years now. His allegory of the box sitter was real eye opener for me. TPTB put food under lock and key and suddenly free men are turned into slaves. Voltaire wrote about this stuff too in the mid 1700s. "Man is born free but everywhere he is in chains." Revolution soon followed his words but people are stupid and ignorant and history is repeating itself. The chains are going back on as the free are reduced to slaves once again.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')I think we are too domesticated. But I am a doomer and believe in the die-off. Those who survive will "walk away" from from the failings of civilization.

[SeaGypsy]

To those with any classical education the thread topic is at least reasonably well known. To Gen Y'ers and under I am not so sure. In this age of abundant information (overload) people cherry pick in the same way MSM does, what they will pay attention too.
Up until the early 90's the cafe set was a de facto reading club, with a list of 'must read' books, needing to be understood to join the inner circle.
These days that seems to have passed. People basicly talk and think shiite. The boomers never stop yabbering about their investments, or lack thereof. The X'ers about their kids and careers. The Y'ers about facebook and myspace and inane games on the computer. On top of this MSM star worshipping carp where who is screwing who in Hollywood is bigger news than anything.
The intellectual cafe set of the 80's and 90's was the hippy spawn from the 60's, in turn the progeny of the beat generation. The continuum has all but been lost.
The current equivalent of wrist slashing bleeding hearts, the Emo's are as useless as teats on a bull. Otherwise it's all systems go for rampant materialism even if ones chances of success in this are receeding like a mirage in the desert.

[pablonite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'P')eople basicly talk and think shiite. The boomers never stop yabbering about their investments, or lack thereof. The X'ers about their kids and careers. The Y'ers about facebook and myspace and inane games on the computer. On top of this MSM star worshipping carp where who is screwing who in Hollywood is bigger news than anything.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'P')eople basicly talk and think shiite. The boomers never stop yabbering about their investments, or lack thereof. The X'ers about their kids and careers. The Y'ers about facebook and myspace and inane games on the computer. On top of this MSM star worshipping carp where who is screwing who in Hollywood is bigger news than anything.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', 'N')ot sure what you mean by being right up Ron Paul's alley? He's not a minarchist, he's an anarcho-capitalist/voluntaryist... so he doesn't support any political party or candidates.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Stonemason]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', 'N')ot sure what you mean by being right up Ron Paul's alley? He's not a minarchist, he's an anarcho-capitalist/voluntaryist... so he doesn't support any political party or candidates.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Jotapay]

Stonemason, I've never gotten this far into the thinking of the idea of a "free person" before, like Stefan Molyneux is proposing in his ideas here. My application of Ron Paul was surely misplaced to someone who understands the nuances of Stefan better.

This is certainly interesting stuff. I'm not sure how you would pull off his idea of Shangri-La in a world of so many billions of uneducated droids, but it's definitely worth studying, IMO.

If you go to his Youtube channel "Freedomain" or something, he has dozens of very long interviews/discussions with rather focused and polished views. It's worth a look-see. Thanks for posting his interview with Peter Schiff earlier, Stonemason.

[Homesteader]

Really good clip Jotapay. If you haven't done so read Ishmael, My Ishmael and especially The Story of B by Daniel Quinn.

There are ways to be freer, even on the farms. Couple of ideas that come to mind:

1. Kill your tv
2. Reduce fixations on your future security
3. If you keep playing by their rules you are losing
4. The concept of national patriotism is carefully cultivated like a religious belief. . . .a pimped-up superstition to feed the masses to keep the level of sacrifice at an acceptable level.
5. Religions are forms of social control
6. Reduce the amount of your labor that you give away to corporations or in the form of irrelevant taxes.

Great thread.