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POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

What is your favorite flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid?

Apple-pocalyse - Fast collapse (crash) 'would be better' and is also what happens.
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Banana-burst - Fast collapse (crash) is 'better' but does not happen (incremental decline happens).
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Cherry-merry - Slow collapse (decline) 'would be better' and is also what happens.
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Death by Chaosolate - Slow collapse (decline) is 'better' but does not happen (crash happens).
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Every-berry - None of above (collapse will not happen in my lifetime, aka 'I'm a moron and/or insane').
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Faith-Pie - I don't care. My Lord has other plans for me. I will 'live' forever.
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POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby lonewolf » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 16:04:08

Is what is felt best for thyself (to your own continuation) also that which is 'best' for planet Earth?

Personally, I'm 'hoping' for Apple but acting on probably getting Banana'd. My 'worse case' scenario (for the planet and all that may yet live upon it) would be (is) Cherry (- excluding E-berry and F-Pie from my 'consideration', obviously). BTW, 45% of 'my fellow countrymen' reportedly chose (prefer) Faith-Pie ... omg! Can you say, Peak Faith-Pie? Will the might/wrath of (their) god be visited upon us? Above all, Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven? Good luck with that 'plan', particularly ye which is to be-eth "left behind".
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby eXpat » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 17:04:45

Banana-burst tastes really nice!! Image
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 17:07:08

It will be very sudden and not too far ahead characterized by natural disasters (most likely is famine) combined with widespread military conflicts.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 20:37:29

When you say collapse, exactly which countries are you talking about? I can't see outright famine happening in the US within my lifetime.. if you mean more famine in other parts of the world, then yeah of course that's likely.

But that's been going on for millennia, not exactly anything new.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 20:45:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')hen you say collapse, exactly which countries are you talking about? I can't see outright famine happening in the US within my lifetime.. if you mean more famine in other parts of the world, then yeah of course that's likely.

But that's been going on for millennia, not exactly anything new.


Any number of eventws could lead to starvation in the USA in 3 days to a week.

The simplest would be anything that caused the comcheck debit fuel cards to stop working.. transport would cease from just that one event.. you are then 9 meals from anarchy....

Cant happen you say.... LOL
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 21:06:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'T')he simplest would be anything that caused the comcheck debit fuel cards to stop working.. transport would cease from just that one event.. you are then 9 meals from anarchy....

Cant happen you say.... LOL


Watch the first episode of James Burke's series "Connections" some time. He does an excellent job of illustrating just how fragile modern life is -- how disconnected we are from our food supply, our complete dependence on oil and electricity. As Burke says in the episode, even if you made it out of the city and to a farm, nothing on the farm would work without gas and electricity.

It's good stuff, grade A doom. But it was also made in the 1970's.. and yet here we still are forty years later, the seemingly fragile just in time delivery system still chugging right along.

When I imagine a collapse of the US, I see it being something similar to the collapse of the Soviet Union. But widespread famine? I really just don't see it happening. Remember, there's a big difference between barely scraping by and literally starving to death -- we eat so much food in this country, we're the fattest people on the planet. We could actually get by on much less food than we produce.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby JJ » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 21:54:28

I vote "cherry-merry"; a long emergency as JK puts it. More hours cut, more layoffs, less production: my phone bill went up 5.00 (in taxes) this month, interest rates on two credit cards jacked up (we're gonna pay them off now) lots of little things, but a never ending cascade of them. As a matter of fact, almost everything I'm billed for went up this month.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby the48thronin » Sun 17 Jan 2010, 23:49:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'I') vote "cherry-merry"; a long emergency as JK puts it. More hours cut, more layoffs, less production: my phone bill went up 5.00 (in taxes) this month, interest rates on two credit cards jacked up (we're gonna pay them off now) lots of little things, but a never ending cascade of them. As a matter of fact, almost everything I'm billed for went up this month.



I voted the same you did, my comments as I watch the distribution system I am a close observer of break more and more every day not with standing.

The 90,ooo payroll drivers lost last year along with the 200,ooo owner or independent contractor drivers is only a beginning.

I shopped a well stocked wallyworld today in Mississippi just south of memphis... while the carrier that distributes the north eastern region for wally world is laying off or cutting contracts to several hundred drivers each week this month .

The black swan that could cause a rapid disintigration is the electronic funds transfer com check as I mentoned. In 1970 I would leave home with enough cash to buy 3 weeks of fuel. Today I have enough cash to eat for 3 days in my wallet because every fuel point takes the debit card and will even advance me up to $200 cash to replace my food budget! This is now the industry norm, I know NO ONE who carries cash for fuel any more.

Read the few stories published about drivers who are killed and robbed, the average robber that killed a driver for his money in the last few years has gotten less than 20$ for the life of the driver. It is a safety thing for us to NOT carry cash making us not worth robbing. Some poor kids just don't seem to know that and so every few months another driver is killed for his empty wallet.

Of course a thief could take my 3 cell phones, the security camera system, my laptop, my clothes, and my small dog.... might get $100 for all that from a fence?

Back to the point.. stop fuel sales by debit card and transport ceases in 12 hours. 9 meals later anarchy reigns and transport maybe never restarts... That would be a game changer.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 18 Jan 2010, 08:39:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'I') vote "cherry-merry"; a long emergency as JK puts it. More hours cut, more layoffs, less production: my phone bill went up 5.00 (in taxes) this month, interest rates on two credit cards jacked up (we're gonna pay them off now) lots of little things, but a never ending cascade of them. As a matter of fact, almost everything I'm billed for went up this month.



I voted the same you did, my comments as I watch the distribution system I am a close observer of break more and more every day not with standing.

The 90,ooo payroll drivers lost last year along with the 200,ooo owner or independent contractor drivers is only a beginning.

I shopped a well stocked wallyworld today in Mississippi just south of memphis... while the carrier that distributes the north eastern region for wally world is laying off or cutting contracts to several hundred drivers each week this month .

The black swan that could cause a rapid disintigration is the electronic funds transfer com check as I mentoned. In 1970 I would leave home with enough cash to buy 3 weeks of fuel. Today I have enough cash to eat for 3 days in my wallet because every fuel point takes the debit card and will even advance me up to $200 cash to replace my food budget! This is now the industry norm, I know NO ONE who carries cash for fuel any more.

Read the few stories published about drivers who are killed and robbed, the average robber that killed a driver for his money in the last few years has gotten less than 20$ for the life of the driver. It is a safety thing for us to NOT carry cash making us not worth robbing. Some poor kids just don't seem to know that and so every few months another driver is killed for his empty wallet.

Of course a thief could take my 3 cell phones, the security camera system, my laptop, my clothes, and my small dog.... might get $100 for all that from a fence?

Back to the point.. stop fuel sales by debit card and transport ceases in 12 hours. 9 meals later anarchy reigns and transport maybe never restarts... That would be a game changer.


That was something I learned from the Great August Blackout a few years ago, I was close to the border of the blackout and I needed gasoline and ice so I drove to a powered area. Once at the gas station I discovered that the main computer for my bank(s) was in the blackout and my debit card(s) were useless.

Fortunately I had a charge card that was from a bank with a server outside the blackout area, otherwise my food would have spoiled and my car would have ceased to function within a day.

If this had happened in January instead of August a lot of people would have been at risk of freezing to death, the area was so broad that many of them could not have fled on what fuel they had in their vehicles. Without power none of our modern heating systems work.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby lonewolf » Mon 18 Jan 2010, 11:37:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') didn't vote. It is stupid. Collapse will be different by country, region, county, and town.


True, collapse is personal. And, Yes, voting is "stupid". OTOH, we are all connected, to each other and to the ecology of Earth. SO, when your collapse comes to visit, what 'flavor' would you prefer it be?

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Chaos is universal
Cataclysm is global
Catastrophe is regional
Crisis is 'civil' (social)
Crash is commercial (monetary)
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Collapse is FKN personal
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Roy » Mon 18 Jan 2010, 13:27:20

I chose banana burst.

Because, in terms of the overall health of the biosphere, a fast crash would be better, and future prospects for human survival and/or quality of life would also be better in a fast crash scenario IMO.

Now I realize that most of humanity would not survive such a halt, myself included. But I am talking in terms of the planet here and humanity in general... Not my personal situation.

In a slow decline we will burn every last bit of any and everything that will burn, and eat everything that will provide nourishment, leaving us a planet not necessarily hospitable to human life.

That's the worst-case in my view.

I think we're in major population overshoot and the crash in population is, if one accepts current research as fact, inevitable. We are after all, just another mammalian species on this planet.

I read somewhere (I may be off slightly) that 90% of all species that ever existed on this planet are extinct.

What makes us exempt from this trend? Certainly our behavior on the whole resembles yeast in a vat of wine more than a species living in harmony with its environment (excluding some tribes in remote areas of the planet that have yet to be exploited fully by our society and its agents).
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Revi » Mon 18 Jan 2010, 14:42:30

It takes a little while for a global system to go down. I agree that something could happen, like in Haiti, but for the most part it will be a slow deterioration. There is a town north of us where the paper mill is barely functioning and the town lost 65% of its population.

I see something like that happening to most towns around here.

People will all cluster close to the big cities, but they won't be let in.

Better to eat squirrel (or crow) and take our chances in the towns outside the bubble of affluence.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 18 Jan 2010, 22:05:31

I'd prefer the collapse be as fast and as soon as possible, but that's not what I expect. I expect it will be slow and miserable.

So I didn't vote in the poll.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 18 Jan 2010, 22:11:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'d prefer the collapse be as fast and as soon as possible, but that's not what I expect. I expect it will be slow and miserable.

So I didn't vote in the poll.


Wouldn't that be Option 2, Banana Burst?

I picked Death By Chaosolate because I think slow would be more personally survivable but I think our culture is too brittle to adapt and will collapse quickly once the pressure is great enough.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby lonewolf » Mon 18 Jan 2010, 22:13:07

right! banana-burst with whipped cream and a cherry on top comin' right up
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 18 Jan 2010, 22:14:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'d prefer the collapse be as fast and as soon as possible, but that's not what I expect. I expect it will be slow and miserable.

So I didn't vote in the poll.


Wouldn't that be Option 2, Banana Burst?

I picked Death By Chaosolate because I think slow would be more personally survivable but I think our culture is too brittle to adapt and will collapse quickly once the pressure is great enough.



Yeah, I guess it might. But incremental decline doesn't imply misery much, at least not to me. But it's still stupid - I don't get to pick what happens.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Narz » Wed 20 Jan 2010, 18:30:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
')Any number of eventws could lead to starvation in the USA in 3 days to a week.

Starvation takes a month or more to set in.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Narz » Wed 20 Jan 2010, 18:31:31

I think slow decline will happen but perhaps a fast crash would be better for the planet.
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Re: POLL: Favorite Flavor of Kollapse Kool-Aid

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 20 Jan 2010, 23:40:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '
')Any number of eventws could lead to starvation in the USA in 3 days to a week.

Starvation takes a month or more to set in.


Maybe in your house, but the typical American only has 3-15 days of food in their home and if there has been a collapse it is gonna be hard to get any more for some time.

Growing up I learned the three rule, you can go three minutes without air, three days without water and three weeks without food and recover completely if you were healthy to begin with.

Any longer and you start accumulating damage that doesn't heal easily if at all.
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