[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')And when I say unions, I mean we need the French variety -- workers marching in the streets, nationwide solidarity strikes, shutting down interstates, the whole nine yards. That will never happen, of course.. unions are dead, and so is the American worker.

[Rod_Cloutier]

I once worked driving a 5 ton truck delivering glass and mirrors throughout my home city. It was an extremely dangerous job, glass and mirrors break easily and I knew several people who worked there who were living with severe injuries.

One guy had a tiny sliver of glass that got embedded in his neck from a window that broke when he was loading his truck, now he has permanently lost the use of his left arm. Another man was installing a beveled piece of glass into a window frame and the glass sliced right through his right hand, thru all his muscle tendons, and now he has lost the use of his right hand forever.

Do companies care? Not in the least. With the disposible worker, they just hire someone new to take their place, not caring about the worker. Not caring about the cost to society this has had in terms of permanent lost productivity or the cost of raising and schooling the individual from childhood only to be rendered handicapped in an instant.

I got out of that job fast, I'd rather starve than risk personal life altering disablitity for the sake of having a paycheque. Did the company care that I left, no, they just replaced me with someone else.

[dsula]

It's always amazing how they bring those single mom emotional cases. Maybe if she didn't screw around so much and rather went to school she would now make a six fig salary.

Actually she can call herself lucky that the illegal mexicans have a hard time learning english or she might just have to take another paycut.

On another thought I don't understand why an american worker should get paid more than say a chineese or an indian for the same kind of work.

And there's the beauty of america. If you don't like it you can always start your own business. But that would require effort, determination, sacrifice, traits most don't have.

And there's plenty of american small business that compete daily with foreign companies. They are successful and get paid well because they offer something the foreign company doesn't. Inovation, quality, dependability and more.

You get paid what you are worth. And if you think you should get paid more then proof it and start your business.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '
')You get paid what you are worth. And if you think you should get paid more then proof it and start your business.

[dissident]

That's some impressive "logic" there. You actually think that the pay scale established in the US until the era of globalization is absurd and that the 15 cents a day wages of the third world are normal.

Clearly you are not making 15 cents a day so you have no moral authority to preach to others to accept this sort of wage.

[Cloud9]

We are all in a life boat, it is adrift and at over capacity. Get ready for the rise of xenophobia and protectionism. These trends will cause us to withdraw from the world much like we did in the 1920’s. A kinder gentler form of fascism will be seen as the mechanism to revitalize our failing state.

Terrorism will be the catalyst that mobilizes us. It will be something terrible. Several cities may disappear in a nuclear holocaust. People on the fringe will become the targets. We will all join in lockstep and march to the tune of a new social order.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'I') once worked driving a 5 ton truck delivering glass and mirrors throughout my home city. It was an extremely dangerous job, glass and mirrors break easily and I knew several people who worked there who were living with severe injuries.

One guy had a tiny sliver of glass that got embedded in his neck from a window that broke when he was loading his truck, now he has permanently lost the use of his left arm. Another man was installing a beveled piece of glass into a window frame and the glass sliced right through his right hand, thru all his muscle tendons, and now he has lost the use of his right hand forever.

Do companies care? Not in the least. With the disposible worker, they just hire someone new to take their place, not caring about the worker. Not caring about the cost to society this has had in terms of permanent lost productivity or the cost of raising and schooling the individual from childhood only to be rendered handicapped in an instant.

I got out of that job fast, I'd rather starve than risk personal life altering disablitity for the sake of having a paycheque. Did the company care that I left, no, they just replaced me with someone else.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'Y')ou get paid what you are worth. And if you think you should get paid more then proof it and start your business.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')fTwoMinds wrote:
Those who have worked like crazy to net $170,000 will no longer be willing to work that hard so they can pay absurdly high tax rates to support bureaucrats raking in $170,000 a year for going to pre-meetings (or whatever) and public-employee retirees double-dipping (drawing $100K+ pensions and bennies and getting rehired immediately on contract to do the same job they just left.)

No, thank you, we really don't need to work this hard to support you. We are tired of being serfs. The more you try to tax "the rich," the more "rich" people will opt out.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '[')b]The majority of these types want to be paid like owners or business partners, but without the investment and risk.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Let me ask you, is the value of your intellectual labor, and your capital investment, really so much greater than the health and lives of your employees, who are actually doing the labor that you resell at a premium?

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', 'T')hat's some impressive "logic" there. You actually think that the pay scale established in the US until the era of globalization is absurd and that the 15 cents a day wages of the third world are normal.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat doesn't sound like "taking no risk" to me. In fact, the working man risks his health day in and day out -- especially in these manual labor professions.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '
')And there's plenty of american small business that compete daily with foreign companies.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'W')e are all in a life boat, it is adrift and at over capacity. Get ready for the rise of xenophobia and protectionism. These trends will cause us to withdraw from the world much like we did in the 1920’s. A kinder gentler form of fascism will be seen as the mechanism to revitalize our failing state.

Terrorism will be the catalyst that mobilizes us. It will be something terrible. Several cities may disappear in a nuclear holocaust. People on the fringe will become the targets. We will all join in lockstep and march to the tune of a new social order.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')
For example, we recently had an installer that wanted $25 per hour. When he worked for a friend, he took three12 hour days to install a boiler that myself, brothers and many of out top performing employees could have done in a single day.

I checked out several of his jobs, but all had code violations and poor workmanship.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '
')And there's plenty of american small business that compete daily with foreign companies.

[crude_intentions]

From the Article
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')osses are no longer rewarded based on how many people they supervise, so they have less incentive to hang on to staff. Instead, the increasing use of bonuses tied to short-term profit performance gives managers an incentive to slash labor costs.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat doesn't sound like "taking no risk" to me. In fact, the working man risks his health day in and day out -- especially in these manual labor professions.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')If we continue down this path of extreme income disparity and wealth transference to Asia, we're just going to end up a 3rd world nation.