$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '"')Johns Hopkins researchers note that even though their research indicates 100,000 civilians are dead that wouldn't otherwise be dead due to actions taken by coalition forces; they found no evidence of improper conduct by the coalition forces."
Pretty much destroys your idea that we are intentionally killing women and children.
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by smallpoxgirl » Wed 04 May 2005, 14:07:03
Are you proposing that your soldiers didn't know that they were killing all these people. I'm thousands of miles from the middle east and I've seen probably a couple of hundred pictures of the carnage. You're telling me that the guys on the street with guns somehow haven't seen all the bodies? Most of it probably didn't look like Mi Lai, but they sure as heck knew they were killing civilians by the thousands.
Perhaps you have some explanation for how massacring 100,000 women and children is "proper conduct."?
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by arretium » Wed 04 May 2005, 14:09:20
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')As anyone of the lawyers here will tell you, undertaking a violent criminal act that you know may result in someones death, even if you did not specifically intend to kill that person, is first degree murder. The United States is conducting a massive armed robbery in Iraq, and they are responsible for the tens of thousands of children they have killed in the process.
')As anyone of the lawyers here will tell you, undertaking a violent criminal act that you know may result in someones death, even if you did not specifically intend to kill that person, is first degree murder. The United States is conducting a massive armed robbery in Iraq, and they are responsible for the tens of thousands of children they have killed in the process.
I disagree. First degree murder (in virtually all states) requires an intent to kill, some states require significant premediation, others less so. In the case of the U.S. Gov't, you haven't crossed the first hurdle because the Gov't lacks intent. They didn't intend to kill the children, they were merely in the way. Thus, you can rule out 1st and 2nd degree murder since both require the mens rea of intent. You don't even have an argument for manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary) since the Gov't was not lured or inticed by the victim (children) to kill them (in this case the children).
Someone might be able to argue negligent homicide. Negligent homicide is just that, the negligent death of another human being. In our state, that gets you 1-2. You could argue the Gov't was negligent in their releasing of bombs (i.e. location chosen, etc) and that a reasonable prudent person would take more care in the release of such bombs.
Of course, if this was you acting and not the Gov't, any prosecutor worth his salt could convict you, your dog, and your entire block of the same crime and have you all serving life in prison.
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by smallpoxgirl » Wed 04 May 2005, 14:38:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') disagree. First degree murder (in virtually all states) requires an intent to kill, some states require significant premediation, others less so. In the case of the U.S. Gov't, you haven't crossed the first hurdle because the Gov't lacks intent.
Come On! You amass an army. Drop bombs on cities. Fire rockets, tanks, machine guns, hand grenades. How much more proof of intent to kill do you need? What was this all an elaborate set up to shoot a movie and they just accidently killed a couple hundred thousand people?
As more evidence of intent I offer the following. Ok. Maybe they just miscalculated. The first day, lets just assume they didn't know they were going to kill civilians. At the end of the day, they say "Oh my god. We killed a bunch of civilians." What do they do? Reload and go bomb some more buildings. Damn right they had intent to kill.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('18USC1111', 'M')urder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice and aforethought.
Every murder...committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, burglary, or robbery... is murder in the first degree.
Malice-got plenty of that
Aforethought-well...they didn't just accidently end up with an army in Iraq.
Perpetration of a robbery-got that one.
By the way. If I insinuated that I am laying this all in the lap of the US soldiers. I'm not. They're in a bad place. They get shipped half way around the world to a place where people are trying to kill them and they're given orders that they can theoretically be shot for not carrying out and at the vary least they can be court martialed. They don't have many good options. The people that put them there should be tried and sentenced for their actions.
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I was gonna say that I'm coming back to set you straight about Fallujah, but I see that any kind of discussion with you is pointless. That statement shoots down your credibility, runs over it with a lawnmower and feeds the scraps to the dogs. 
