[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
')
Capitalism is dead, The Top .01% are as wealthy as they've ever been. That includes the Roman Senators.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'I') would like to offer a very lovable and respectful efarmer to the wealthy
"it's a great year to die" persons who have not had the pleasure nor the
joyful experience of conceiving or rearing an efarmer of their own.

I am now officially up for adoption.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'L')et's kill the rich and steal their property! If we all vote to do it then it's ok! .

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', ' ')Let's kill the rich and steal their property!

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', ' ')Let's kill the rich and steal their property!

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')
Democracy shouldn't mean tyranny of the majority.

If 51% of Germans vote to kill all of the Jews and steal their property, does that make it acceptable?

What if 95% of Germans vote to do this? 99%? 99.99%?

Godwin's Law doesn't apply here because this is a valid comparison. People often vote themselves tyrants. The tyranny that results from their votes is immoral and unacceptable. We can't excuse this tyranny just because it's "what the people wanted". If you don't like the example of Nazi Germany, take a look at Mugagbe's Zimbabwe or Putin's Russia. Both leaders are powerful, popular, and horrible. Yet, they were democratically elected and would win in a landslide in any fair election held today or any day. Does that make it okay?

There are certain moral laws that exist outside of democracy.

[Cloud9]

The right to life, liberty and property. These are our rights the moment we crawl out of the egg.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he right to life, liberty and property. These are our rights the moment we crawl out of the egg.

[Cloud9]

The right to life, liberty and property are natural rights. They are inalienable. They exist simply because we are human. They are not derived from any state or central authority. They are our birth right. With our first breath, these rights become ours. We have a social contract with our government. We give our government what power we see as necessary to protect our natural rights. When that government fails to protect these rights, as this one has, it is our right to alter or abolish this government.

http://jeffersoncountry.lib.virginia.ed ... ff0100.htm

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', ' ')When that government fails to protect these rights, as this one has, it is our right to alter or abolish this government.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he right to life, liberty and property are natural rights. They are inalienable. They exist simply because we are human. They are not derived from any state or central authority. They are our birth right. With our first breath, these rights become ours.

[Pretorian]

here is a good analisis of what rights are


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F1Lq1uFcAE

[Cloud9]

You pose what appears to be a hard question. It is not the question that is hard; it is the answer that is hard. The responsibility for the child falls on the two people who chose to have sex. Their obligation to the child extends to their capacity to sustain the unsustainable.


http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtreat.htm

To alter this government, I am voting against every sitting incumbent. If we all do that, change will take place.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'Y')ou pose what appears to be a hard question. It is not the question that is hard; it is the answer that is hard. The responsibility for the child falls on the two people who chose to have sex. Their obligation to the child extends to their capacity to sustain the unsustainable.

[Cloud9]

The moral thing for us to do would be to donate to her need. The immoral thing to do is to put a gun to my head and force me to donate. I have walked up to a homeless man and put a $50 bill in his hand. A neighbor and I roofed a widow’s house. I held a barbeque and fed 1,200 people to raise money to help a fellow get a lung transplant. These things I did because they were the right thing to do. There are millions of others just like me. The government will demand $10 in taxes that require $15 in administration fees andl wind up giving $5 to a person who is not in need.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'M')y goodness, the love of money truly knows no bounds.

I have no problem with the sick and elderly planning their estates as they choose (though traveling to Holland for tax-related euthanasia is really disturbing). The problem I have here is the ominous prospect of what happens a year from now as the tax comes back into effect -- we're going to have people pulling the plug on grandma just to save on taxes.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he immoral thing to do is to put a gun to my head and force me to donate.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he immoral thing to do is to put a gun to my head and force me to donate.

[MathMurderer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')o alter this government, I am voting against every sitting incumbent. If we all do that, change will take place.

[Cloud9]

Nut jobs are par for the course. Ron Paul was considered a nut job for years. Now more and more of us think he makes sense. We have to do something to end the business as usual atmosphere in Washington.