[superpoodle]

The biggest contributor to greenhouse gasses is FACTORY FARMING. Which are also nice BIG MELTING POTS of disease. Where did swine flu originate? a huge factory pig farm in mexico. no one wants to talk about that or give up their precious steaks. no lets talk about pets and how big their footprint is, so freaking stupid. Dogs and cats don't get choice cuts of meat either, they get the waste products from the human food chain. Stuff not fit for human consumption. really really gross stuff is in fancy feast. animals that arrive at the slaughter house dead or dying and riddled with disease, feathers, beaks, feet, road kill that's what is in fancy feast. sometimes they don't even know what animal it came from (the rendering pot) and they call it "meat". the best thing you can do for the environment is to be vegan and don't have kids. Or else serve up a nice pot roast to your big family and talk about how virtuous you are for driving a prius, recycling, and not having a pet. well, gotta go let my useless purse dogs (pomeranian, poodle, maltese, chihuahua) out to spread some bacteria around....

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('superpoodle', ' ')the best thing you can do for the environment is to be vegan and don't have kids.

[superpoodle]

you must be a nice big fat meat eater with lots of kids. I am grown up, thank you.

[Pretorian]

You are hopeless then. And yes thats exactly what I am.

[superpoodle]

yup, i'm hopeless. i have no hope for the future of the human species. we are disgusting exploiters of everything on this planet. we will consume ourselves, every other species, and the planet. enjoy your factory farmed hamburger, hoard your food and bullets. the end of the world as you know it will not be collapse, it will be when you get cancer or heart disease or have a stroke. keep stuffing your fat face with rotting flesh and load your gun so no one can take it from you. if it weren't so pathetic it would be funny.

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I')f you want to see what dogs are bred and used for, as far as indispensable human helpers goes, check out this PBS special. This type of environmental Nazism makes me fucking puke. It disgusts me to the extent environmentalism has gone to label dogs as liabilities and parasites.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/dogs/

[Pretorian]

I do like sometimes getting into a virgin, unchallenged by logic brain of a vegetarian, damaged or undamaged by his diet, and shovel some if its majestic hubris around. So, lets start.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('superpoodle', 'y')up, i'm hopeless. i have no hope for the future of the human species. we are disgusting exploiters of everything on this planet. we will consume ourselves, every other species, and the planet.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')inally, "saving the planet" thing. What do you think will happen with all those pastures and forage -producing fields once everybody will stop eating meat? I imagine a middle-aged farmer scratching his beard and thinking, " Hell, nobody is eating meat nowdays. I guess I'll just abandon me farm, so woods will take it back finally. Meantime, I head to the city and find meself a job so I can still pay mortgage payments and taxes for my farm " No, not really. All that land will be converted to produce food. Human food. You know what people do when they have food? They breed. And when they have extra-food? They extra-breed. Do I need to say more?

[lowem]

Yup I saw this article some time back and sent it to friends, with some dog owners among them, peakoilers too most of them.

Got back the expected response too - no way!

I don't own pets nor am I much of a cat or dog person, but it doesn't make much sense to me either, unless the hundreds of millions of years of plant/animal growth that goes into each gallon of gasoline is entirely discounted away. A ton or two of steel and plastic and glass powered by fossil fuel that requires 98 tons per gallon of ancient plant and animal matter having a smaller environmental footprint than poor Fido?

I don't think cats or dogs or even elephants for that matter go around eating 98 tons of matter every half an hour or so, the time it might take for your typical car going at 60 miles per hour to go say 30 miles burning up say a gallon or so, give or take some according to your particular vehicle's fuel consumption habits.

Hmmph. Somebody needs to re-check some calculations somewhere.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')inally, "saving the planet" thing. What do you think will happen with all those pastures and forage -producing fields once everybody will stop eating meat? I imagine a middle-aged farmer scratching his beard and thinking, " Hell, nobody is eating meat nowdays. I guess I'll just abandon me farm, so woods will take it back finally. Meantime, I head to the city and find meself a job so I can still pay mortgage payments and taxes for my farm " No, not really. All that land will be converted to produce food. Human food. You know what people do when they have food? They breed. And when they have extra-food? They extra-breed. Do I need to say more?

[Ludi]

I have 6 cats. I'm pretty sure they don't use the resources of even one human child.

But we can't discuss the environmental impact of human children. That would be unpopular.

[rangerone314]

Cats are useful. Years ago we had a mouse problem in the apartment. Getting a cat solved that problem.

When we moved into the house in 2008, we had an initial mouse problem. The cat solved that problem also, a few mangled and decapitated mice later. They seem to avoid our house now.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') have 6 cats. I'm pretty sure they don't use the resources of even one human child.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')I'd say they probably do.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')I'd say they probably do.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/dogs/evolution.html]The Truth About Dogs (link)[/url]

... For all the myths and tales of the dog's service to man, only the smallest fraction of dogs that live off human society today earn their keep. ...

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') have 6 cats. I'm pretty sure they don't use the resources of even one human child.

[Umber]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') have 6 cats. I'm pretty sure they don't use the resources of even one human child.

[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/dogs/evolution.html]The Truth About Dogs (link)[/url]

... For all the myths and tales of the dog's service to man, only the smallest fraction of dogs that live off human society today earn their keep. ...

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'M')y favorite breed. Loyal, intelligent, protective. She's gorgeous.