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Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby deMolay » Sun 27 Dec 2009, 09:32:54

Storm Clouds Ahead for the USA. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story. ... ments_list
A major shift is underway globally?
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 27 Dec 2009, 09:40:13

Linky not worky! Is it the derivatives story in the Financialpost section?
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby deMolay » Sun 27 Dec 2009, 10:27:18

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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby deMolay » Sun 27 Dec 2009, 10:29:35

[quote]"We are now at the start of what may become the most dramatic change in international order in several centuries, the biggest shift since European nations were first shuffled into a sovereign order by the peace of Westphalia in 1648," writes Joshua Cooper Ramo in his book The Age of the Unthinkable.


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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Novus » Sun 27 Dec 2009, 22:27:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The U.S. report was written just as the global economic crisis began to unfold in 2008 and it predicted a gradual decline of American power over 15 years. But Mr. Klare says the financial crisis upset that timetable.

"As a result of the mammoth economic losses suffered by the United States over the past year and China's stunning economic recovery, the global power shift the report predicted has accelerated," he says. "For all practical purposes, 2025 is here already."


I think this shows what the real stakes are. TPTB were planning on having another decade of hegemony but for good or bad it has been cut short. New powers such as China have Already usurped much of America's former political and economic power. This is not something that will happen in ten years but something that has already happened. Witness the snubbing of America at Copenhagen climate summit.
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Stonemason » Sun 27 Dec 2009, 22:35:09

Interesting, thanks.
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 29 Dec 2009, 00:53:30

Peter Goodspeed, National Post should have mentioned that Global Trends 2025 was released months ago. You can download the .pdf and read the whole thing.

This is just a lazy writer's yearend piece.
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 29 Dec 2009, 02:20:18

The U.S. today is Britain 100 years ago.

No voodoo needed for that conclusion.

The difference is that Britain had the U.S. to bail it out and assume the superpower label. The U.S. is unlikely to have a similar successor in the future (certainly not China).

China has built an economy based upon selling plastic crap to the first world while terrorizing its own citizens. That's not going to end well.
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby mike3 » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 21:41:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The U.S. report was written just as the global economic crisis began to unfold in 2008 and it predicted a gradual decline of American power over 15 years. But Mr. Klare says the financial crisis upset that timetable.

"As a result of the mammoth economic losses suffered by the United States over the past year and China's stunning economic recovery, the global power shift the report predicted has accelerated," he says. "For all practical purposes, 2025 is here already."


I think this shows what the real stakes are. TPTB were planning on having another decade of hegemony but for good or bad it has been cut short. New powers such as China have Already usurped much of America's former political and economic power. This is not something that will happen in ten years but something that has already happened. Witness the snubbing of America at Copenhagen climate summit.


What will happen to these new powers though once "crunch time" from peak resources (peak everything, that is, including peak oil) hits in its ripe fullness as it will in a few short decades and further materialistic growth becomes unfeasible?
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Revi » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 22:35:25

Here's another cheery article from Marketwatch (not known for gloomy articles):

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/our-de ... genumber=1

I think something is going to happen soon. Heinberg, Greer, this guy. They are all saying that it's going to get bad soon. Any port in a storm.
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 13:14:11

If the US collapses into a "rump state", what states would most likely be part of it?
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Olaf » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 13:22:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') will say it again, gently: A new meltdown is coming. The Great Depression II is coming, soon. And yet, I know your mental filters are working, blocking warnings of a bomb. I can even hear you calling me "the fool on the hill who sees the sun going down, the world spinning round" ... sees you kissing your retirement goodbye.


At least he's optimistic. :)

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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby lonewolf » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 13:37:39

To paraphrase several others, "The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 13:40:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '
')I think something is going to happen soon. Heinberg, Greer, this guy. They are all saying that it's going to get bad soon.



When is "soon"?

What is "bad"?
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby rangerone314 » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 13:55:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '
')I think something is going to happen soon. Heinberg, Greer, this guy. They are all saying that it's going to get bad soon.



When is "soon"?

What is "bad"?

Yeah we need some definitions.

Bad can mean anything from 1990 Recession, to Haiti-after-quake, or "MadMax", or "The Road"...
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Revi » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 21:52:01

Nobody says when it will get "Bad", or how bad. Anyone have any actionable intelligence on when TSHTF? How, when, where?

It seems like a lot of people are saying that the dollar is getting a boost because the Euro is all tied up trying to keep Greece afloat. They say when that resolves or doesn't will tell what is going to happen to the dollar.

The Fed bought about 80% of Treasuries last year. That can't be good. And yet the dollar seems to be climbing for some reason.

They say that there was a some kind of a run on the gold bullion being held in London for billionaires. What that means I'm not sure. They say that physical gold is trading for a 25% premium now, as people try to get to safety.

Here's an article from the Golden Jackass:

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1265248800.php

Here's Greer from the Archdruid Report:

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/

Here's Denninger with the proof that we are in trouble:

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby careinke » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 01:40:11

Ron Paul, in his 2010 State of the Republic address, says it has already started.

http://dailypaul.com/node/122355
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Revi » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 11:08:59

I think it's started too. It seems like the winter phase of the Kondratieff cycle is well under way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave

People go for assets that are the safest and most liquid at the bottom of the cycle.

Spring may not start for a while. If winter started in 2008, then we have at least 10 more years of winter. If it started earlier we may around ground hog day now.

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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby Revi » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 11:24:07

I'm thinking that the winter phase started in 2005, with the peak of oil, and it's going to be winter until around 2020, when we start to see spring from the emerging "green economy". A lot of people will be dead by then, and a lot of places will look like Detroit.

What do you think?
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Re: Storm Clouds Ahead For USA

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 08 Feb 2010, 11:40:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')'m thinking that the winter phase started in 2005, with the peak of oil, and it's going to be winter until around 2020, when we start to see spring from the emerging "green economy". A lot of people will be dead by then, and a lot of places will look like Detroit.

What do you think?

If the amount of energy used by all the cars in the US in one DAY is equivalent to powering 2 million homes for a YEAR, how many solar panels will be needed?
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