[lorenzo]

(As we remember and celebrate the 30th anniversary of the defeat of the Americans by rice farmers in Vietnam).

The history of the past six decades can be summarized as being a war between the world and the Anglosaxon Axis (America, the UK, Australia). People from all over the world, from all kinds of different cultures have had to fight these Anglosaxons who continuously interfere in their lives and politics.

From Korea over Congo to Chile, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, the Philippines, Angola, Mozambique, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq... about everybody on the planet has had to defend themselves against the evil Anglosaxons (some for years on end - the Vietnamese - , others were lucky to succeed in throwing them out by sending local girls with kalashnikovs to defeat the US marines - the Somalians - ). Every five years since WWII, these Anglosaxons have created war campaigns, launched civil wars, destroyed countless lives, committed bloody coups d'état, installed dictators, destabilized young democracies or simply bombed people to death.

This continuous violence coming from one and the same culture is silently creating a collective world memory. All peoples of the planet are united in this regard. Go anywhere on the planet, and ask What the World Thinks of America. You'll get the same answers everywhere.

As these major research results show, America is the world's most hated nation. The Chinese may hate the Japanese, but both hate America more than they hate each other.

"Anti-Anglosaxonism" has become a truly universal trait of humankind. It is also a legitimate one.

The question now is very simple: suppose Peak Oil hits the world, will there be a kind of collective revenge, directed against the USA and its Anglosaxon allies?

Collective violence is always a very complex matter, and the psycho-social dynamics of such outbursts of revenge only come to the fore when material conditions are ripe. I fear that Peak Oil may create just such conditions.

Even though the Anglosaxons have actively tried to whipe out the memory of people who were subjected to their violence (they now even have a special Minister whose sole task is to combat world wide legitimate Anti-Anglosaxonism - her name is Karen Hughes), they underestimate the power of such collective memories. Neither a change in culture, political regime or economic wealth can whipe out collective memory. Globalization may efface many cultural habits, but collective memories are too persistent to succumb to it.

Will these collective memories converge and be "worked through" (as Freud put it), by attacking and destroying the object that drives this deep anger? Will Peak Oil create such conditions that the legitimate and latent form of global anti-Anglosaxonism, turns into an active and less legitimate form of revenge?

[DomusAlbion]

Remember that the Angles, Saxons and Jutes originally came from the continent and were German tribes
so you should include the Germans in this latest "Lorenzo" diatribe.

It is true, we are a fierce warrior race, so don't piss us off.

[killJOY]

He cites that coke-snorting quack, Fraud, I mean Freud.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')reud understood from the very beginning that his patients were not getting cured. "As late as 1906, he writes to Jung that he has not successfully completed a single psychoanalysis." Freud's scientific contemporaries criticized him for this, but much like the gurus described by British psychiatrist Anthony Storr (p. 76), Freud resisted any criticism. He called these attacks manifestations of unconscious resistance, and claimed that critics needed to be analyzed to understand psychoanalysis properly. "What Freud is saying to the world is, `If you disagree with me it's because you're not an initiate,'" Crews says. "'You have not had the experience that creates true belief.' The whole history of religion is a history of placing faith ahead of knowledge. If you can acquire the faith, you will get the knowledge. If you can be a member, you will understand why we make the assertions that we do." For Frederick Crews, Freud was a guru with a dark pedigree.

[gnm]

Lorenzo I will assume you are either a member of the great oppressed you speak of (and trying to make yourself feel better by not being "one of them") or you are a self-hating "Anglo" with a guilt complex. Get over it. Trying to tie violence to some misguided notion of "race" is absurd. Particularly so since "race" is a subjective construct - same species last I checked...


wanton violence knows no "race" boundries..

-G

[Wildwell]

Proof that there are a large proportion of nutcases here: Lorenzo.

Lorenzo, all nations have a bloody history. Look at Africa, Asia, Europe, South Amercia..need I go on? The Germans have a fair sure of bloody instances in Europe, the French, Italians, and Spanish are not much better either.

So if British people are so evil (as you put it) why did we spread democracy to the world? Why are we leading the wiping out of third world debt? You couldn’t come to a more tolerant country. We’re not stringing gay people up or Jews and have twisted ourselves up in knots to accommodate different views and religions.

I’m also not aware that Americans are intrinsically evil people. Sometimes a little misguided (like all nations) but not evil. Maybe you would rather have the rule of the North Koreans, Saudis or evil dictators elsewhere?

I realise you are involved in a little mischief making just to upset a few people. I can assure you the average British person is not quite a fan of the American government as you think. It’s nothing to do with an axis of evil. I’ll tell you what it’s to do with, the Second World War when various agreements had to be signed between the British and Americans and exchange of technology (like radar, nuclear) in order to stop the Nazis pounding across Europe and then the cold war. Those agreements still stand today.

Have you any idea how much stick our governments both in the UK and the US have been given for the various wars? Britain has been the victim of Europe many times, how dare you spout such nonsense.

[jaakkeli]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'R')emember that the Angles, Saxons and Jutes originally came from the continent and were German tribes
so you should include the Germans in this latest "Lorenzo" diatribe.

It is true, we are a fierce warrior race, so don't piss us off.

[EddieB]

To get through the coming crisis we're going to need international cooperation. Speculating on, "how much the world hates anglo-saxons," is a fruitless endevour. Sure there's a lot of anti-americanism out there. We have a lot of anti-islamism here in the States. We need to be cognizant of our faults and how we're percieved, but laying on a thick guilt trip isn't going to solve any problems.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaakkeli', 'N')ow don't piss us off, or we'll take back what's rightfully ours! Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Slavic, Romance, who cares, we own you all!

[Ebyss]

Didn't all these invaders, with their evil ways, bring Christianity to the ignorant natives?

[venky]

Although the poster is way over the top, he does make an important point in that the US and its allies have been responsible for a large number of conflicts around the world the past 60 years. Anti- American and to a lesser extent anti-British feeling around the world is high and will only increase as the energy crisis unfolds, especially since the administrations of both countries seem to have decided to militarily take over the middle east.

[Raxozanne]

I feel that the most disgusting oppression was that of the native american indians. They were free peoples that lived in balance with nature. They were expert hunters and knew their land like the back of the hand and they respected it and especially the buffalo upon which their lives depended and they knew it. Their way of life is the way I feel that we were meant to live. But they were destroyed by the English settlers who were just brutes with guns looking for a free ride because they had overpopulated their own country.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'T')hey were free peoples that lived in balance with nature. They were expert hunters and knew their land like the back of the hand and they respected it and especially the buffalo upon which their lives depended and they knew it. Their way of life is the way I feel that we were meant to live. But they were destroyed by the English settlers who were just brutes with guns looking for a free ride because they had overpopulated their own country.

[jaakkeli]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'L')et's say the tables were turned. For one historical reason or another, american indians developed widespread agriculture, firearms and resistance to diseases found in agricultural communities. Meanwhile the europeans were living a hunter/gatherer existence.

Who's to say the american indians wouldn't have tried to expand their territory in to Europe?

[jaakkeli]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaakkeli', 'N')ow don't piss us off, or we'll take back what's rightfully ours! Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Slavic, Romance, who cares, we own you all!

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'L')orenzo I will assume you are either a member of the great oppressed you speak of (and trying to make yourself feel better by not being "one of them") or you are a self-hating "Anglo" with a guilt complex. Get over it. Trying to tie violence to some misguided notion of "race" is absurd. Particularly so since "race" is a subjective construct - same species last I checked...


wanton violence knows no "race" boundries..

-G

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', '
')Lorenzo, all nations have a bloody history.

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', 'Y')ou people COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT (as usual )

Lorenzo's main point is that it is likely there will be a sustained and significant BACKLASH to the behavior of 'Anglo-Saxons' in the near future.

When the bully is strong, no one dares confront him. When he is weak, or is PERCEIVED as weak, he will be attacked from all sides, and vengeance will be extracted. The USA in particular is perceived as the world's biggest bully. When that country is brought to it's knees by PO, how much help do you think is going to be extended by all those nations and cultures who put up with it's continued interference and abuse ???

I would bet a lot of money that PO in the USA in particular will be greatly EXACERBATED by this backlash from the former 'oppressed' (however you define the term)..

That's the point.

[Wildwell]

Lorenzo, for a start *I* didn’t commit anything. So let’s grow up shall we and realise that the average person in Britain or America has little or no control over what their government decides, the same as the average German was not responsible for the first and Second World War. If you think I’m going to sit here and defend things that went on long before I was even born you’re dead wrong. What *is* dangerous though is ongoing chips on shoulders and blaming average citizens for things they have nothing to do with. Have you seen how much effort I have made to post an anti-war message and power down message? I've had no end of stick merely for an opinion. It is great disappointment that you feel fit to post bigoted and frankly narrow minded and racist remarks.

I am not lying about wiping out 3rd world debt, Britain is currently the chair of the G8 and as far as I’m aware it is the general policy of the government to lead on this issue. Personally, I’m all for it. This country is very generous in relieving third world debt either through charity or government debt relief.

UKIP do not have massive support, they have about 4% of the vote. The reason many people feel nervous about jumping in with Europe in nothing to do with racism, they want to ensure they have control over local decision making and not hand over power to a bunch of Bureaucrats in another country, The EU books have not been written off numerous times and many of out ‘reject’ politicians are highly involved. The last time we had monetary union the economy crashed and many people lost their homes, including my parents. For heaven’s sake get over your ill-informed bigotry and understand people are nervous about the situation.

Most people in the UK do not support the war in Iraq, in fact I do not know of a single person. Tony Blair has had resignations in his own government about this issue, there have been mass demonstrations and very hard questioning at every opportunity from all sides of the political spectrum over Iraq. Many people from Iraq living here actually support the war, the man had acid baths and gased his own people, hardly a hero.

I’m not here to defend the British or American government and I certain do not support secret business deals or military coups or any of the other nonsense that goes on. I’m not sure which country you are from, but I think your comments are mis-directed and selective.

There is a far share of racism in other countries, especially in France, Spain and Germany. We all have our fair share of idiots. Indeed you have shown intolerance to other people and blame them for things they have no control over. I don’t recall ever hearing anti German, French or Spanish statements made by anyone here, despite past instances of invations and disagreements.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', 'Y')ou people COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT (as usual )

Lorenzo's main point is that it is likely there will be a sustained and significant BACKLASH to the behavior of 'Anglo-Saxons' in the near future.

When the bully is strong, no one dares confront him. When he is weak, or is PERCEIVED as weak, he will be attacked from all sides, and vengeance will be extracted. The USA in particular is perceived as the world's biggest bully. When that country is brought to it's knees by PO, how much help do you think is going to be extended by all those nations and cultures who put up with it's continued interference and abuse ???

I would bet a lot of money that PO in the USA in particular will be greatly EXACERBATED by this backlash from the former 'oppressed' (however you define the term)..

That's the point.

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'O')f course the oppressed have had a whiter-than-white history of human rights, war, torture and all the rest. If you wish to side with them you must have similar moral standards.